
I’ve been very discouraged by the global rise in nationalism. But there is one glimmer of hope. Nationalism is often its own worst enemy.
Consider the current situation in North America. President Trump clearly dislikes Canada’s Liberal party (especially Justin Trudeau), and would vastly prefer a Conservative government take power north of the border. But Trump has recently antagonized the Canadian public, mostly over border control issues that seem of minor importance.
[You might think that Trump’s comments on Canada becoming the 51st state and the threat of 25% tariffs are no big deal, but recall this scene in Mad Men.]
Right before Trump’s recent criticism of Canada, the Conservative party had more than a 20 point lead in the polls, a lead that was expanding over time. Just a week later, much of that lead has vanished:
[As in most normal countries, red refers to the left of center party.]
A few caveats:
- There is still a great deal of time before the fall election, and I still expect the Conservatives to win.
- The Canadian Conservative leader is not an authoritarian nationalist.
But the second point actually strengthens my argument. The US as a whole and Trump in particular is now so unpopular in Canada that a more Trump-like Canadian politician would have suffered an even bigger drop in the polls. The US national anthem is now being booed at sporting events in Canada.
Trump recently split with Britain’s nationalist right over Trump’s support for a politician considered too extreme even for the Reform Party leadership. If the US starts imposing tariffs on our trading partners, that might further reduce the popularity of Trump among the European right. Given enough time, nationalism always breeds international conflict. Let’s hope it remains economic conflict.
Update: Today’s FT said the following:
Some diplomats and commentators have suggested that Trump’s military and economic threats against Denmark as part of his efforts to take control of Greenland could force Iceland and Norway to consider joining the EU for support.
“I think Trump is good news for all those who want to get Norway and Iceland into the EU, just as Putin was good at getting Finland and Sweden into Nato,” said one senior European politician recently.
PS. Slightly off topic, in a recent post I suggested that bigotry was becoming more fashionable on the right, an unfortunate side effect of a very welcome pushback against woke cancel culture. Do I have any recent evidence for that claim? When Marko Elez recently quit his DOGE job after he was shown as having been behind some offensive tweets, many people focused on the “racism” aspect. I was much more interested in the fact that he thought his own views were now becoming “cool”:
In his online comments under a pseudonym, Elez within the last year advocated for “eugenic immigration policy” and rolling back the Civil Rights Act, according to a Wall Street Journal report. “Normalize Indian hate,” one post said. “Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” another said. “You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity.”
Elez is correct–racism is becoming cool, at least on twitter.
Vice President Vance (whose wife is of Indian descent) had this to say:
I obviously disagree with some of Elez’s posts, but I don’t think stupid social media activity should ruin a kid’s life.
I actually agree with Vance that social media activity should not ruin an immature kid’s life. I suppose where I disagree with Vance is that I sort of wonder whether it makes sense to put immature “kids” into important positions in the federal government. Perhaps wait until they grow up?
READER COMMENTS
Mactoul
Feb 10 2025 at 5:38am
Then what he is, in your taxonomy? Globalist, internationalist, non-authoritarian nationalist, authoritarian non-nationalist?
Trudeau himself was pretty authoritarian with the protesting truckers. And the authoritarianism displayed by all the Western governments crossed all historic records.
Trump is immigrant-friendly as shown by his defense of H1b program, not to mention the idea of stapling a green card to every college diploma.
Scott Sumner
Feb 10 2025 at 1:14pm
“Trump is immigrant-friendly as shown by his defense of H1b program, not to mention the idea of stapling a green card to every college diploma.”
Trump does not even know what the H1-b program is, as he claimed his gardeners came in under that program. His green card proposal was probably a joke. They have no intention of implementing that policy.
Richard A.
Feb 10 2025 at 9:26pm
Trump has confused the H-1B visa with the H-2B visa. H-2A is for low skilled agriculture workers while H-2B is for low skilled workers outside agriculture. These guest worker visas are not immigration visas. Trump does little in studying up on the issues.
Mactoul
Feb 11 2025 at 4:21am
And should not be. After all, the economy needs workers, not immigrants.
Mactoul
Feb 11 2025 at 4:19am
Presumably Elon Musk knows h1-b visa. And he has defended the program quite emphatically against the opponents.
The tech-right is not nationalist at all. But to its own ends, colonization of Mars or AI, it seeks to harness the power of most promising country at the moment.
Scott Sumner
Feb 11 2025 at 10:53am
“The tech-right is not nationalist at all.”
Do you realize that Musk has supported a number of far right nationalist parties in Europe? Are you going to tell me that the AfD is not nationalist?
Mactoul
Feb 12 2025 at 1:43am
A nationalist, by definition, is for his own country. Other countries’ nationalisms are nothing to him. Hitler didn’t respect Polish Or Ukrainian nationalisms at all.
So Musk’s support of@AfD might mean many things but it can’t imply anything about Musk’s American nationalism.
On the contrary, Musk has batted strongly for immigration of STEM talent from all over the world.
Foreigner
Feb 10 2025 at 7:58am
Unfortunately, many Americans fail to recognize just how extreme the GOP has become in an international context. Its consistent rejection of universal healthcare, extreme hostility toward social welfare, climate change denial, exceptionally lax gun laws, religious fundamentalism in politics, opposition to labor rights and unions, election denialism and democratic erosion, unwavering alignment with far-right media, tolerance (or even encouragement) of political violence, and embrace of populism and anti-intellectualism all place it far outside the mainstream of right-wing parties in the Western world. By any comparative measure, the GOP is at least three to four standard deviations from the typical center-right party and likely five to six standard deviations from the global political center.
Meanwhile, the Democratic Party, despite being labeled “leftist” in the U.S., is far more consistent with liberal or even centrist/moderate parties in Europe, Canada, and Australia. Its positions on issues such as healthcare, labor rights, and climate policy align more closely with mainstream center-left or even center-right parties in other developed democracies. This sharp asymmetry in American politics—where one party fits within international norms while the other veers into radicalism—has contributed to growing political instability.
While some Americans view this exceptionalism as a source of national strength, it is increasingly isolating the country and accelerating its decline as the world’s hegemonic power.
Richard A.
Feb 10 2025 at 9:13pm
The Republican party of today appears to be reverting back to its pre WWII protectionists ways while embracing crony capitalism. The party leadership seems to have been taken over by a bunch of econ 101 ignoramuses.
Danny
Feb 10 2025 at 8:49am
What’s your opinion of Mad Men? It seems to check off everything you look for in film/TV and is very dream-like, so I assume you’ve enjoyed it a lot.
Scott Sumner
Feb 10 2025 at 1:15pm
Sorry, I’ve never seen it.
Danny
Feb 11 2025 at 8:15am
Oh, I saw someone recommend it in one of your posts about Lynch and then with the clip in this post I thought you must have started watching it. Anyway, I highly recommend it as well…many dream-like sequences interspersed with the mundane ad business, a great visual sense that morphs with the changing styles across the ’60s, entertaining plot lines without having to rely on the inherent drama of the drug trade or criminal underworld the way many of the best shows do.
Scott Sumner
Feb 11 2025 at 10:54am
Thanks Danny.
Scott Sumner
Feb 10 2025 at 1:20pm
Everyone, Check out the update I added to the post.
steve
Feb 10 2025 at 5:32pm
At our local high school when Trump won the first time we had an issue with kids thinking it was cool to use the N word and other derogatory terms. It petered out but we had another flare with this election. This time it was also accompanied by a lot of the boys, it was nearly all boys, referring to the girls with derogatory terms. Having been involved with a number of activities at the school over a long time I know some of the kids and their families. I suspect some of these kids really are racist/misogynist but most are just doing it to be cool.
The whole DOGE thing seems very non-transparent. I think I know that a number of them are pretty young (early 20s) coders but otherwise I dont know what expertise they bring to whatever it is they are doing ie I dont think its clear what they are doing. It would be nice if they had the intent and abilities to actually do something useful but given that they are selectively leaking stuff (which sometimes turns out to be wrong) and it looks like could be mostly a political op.
Steve
Scott Sumner
Feb 11 2025 at 10:57am
What a sad time for America. I’m nearly 70-years old and this is the worst I’ve ever seen our culture–just a disgrace. In the past, many bigots didn’t know better, but at least we were trending in the right direction. Now? I have no idea where we are headed.
Jon Murphy
Feb 11 2025 at 8:30am
I’d argue not just international conflict, but intranational conflict too. Eg, the Balkans following WW1.
Nationalism doesn’t seem to me to be a sustainable political system. It creates flash-in-the-pan movements, but ultimately undoes itself as the movement descends into bickering about who the “nation” truly is.
Scott Sumner
Feb 11 2025 at 10:58am
Good point.
Knut P. Heen
Feb 11 2025 at 11:35am
The reason Norway and Iceland are not members of the EU is nationalism. Partly as a result of 500 years in unions with Denmark and Sweden. After Norway’s independence from Sweden in 1905, Norway tried to get Greenland (originally Norwegian) back from Denmark. Norway eventually made a one-man invasion of the uninhabited eastern part of Greenland in 1931. Norway did not get any international support for claiming eastern part of Greenland.
And this European politician think Trump’s aggression against Greenland will convince Norwegians to become members of a union run by politicians who don’t understand Norway?
Janet Bufton
Feb 18 2025 at 9:24am
You may be confusing anti-Americanism and anti-Trumpism for anti-nationalism. I can’t remember a time when Canadian nationalist sentiment was higher.
On the other hand, anti-Americanism and anti-Trumpism might also trump full-blown nationalism if access to more markets becomes possible.
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