
Gordon Hanson directed me to a brilliant 1992 essay by Richard Rorty, which refutes the claim that postmodern philosophy is an inherently left wing concept. Rorty describes “two cultural wars”—an important one between the left and the right, and an unimportant one within the left:
The second cultural war is . . . between those who see modern liberal society as vitally flawed (the people handily lumped together as ‘postmodernists’) and typical left-wing Democrat professors like myself, people who see ours as a society in which technology and democratic institutions can, with luck, collaborate to increase equality and decrease suffering. This war is not very important. Despite the conservative columnists who pretend to view with alarm a vast conspiracy (encompassing both the postmodernists and the pragmatists) to politicize the humanities and corrupt the youth, this war is just a tiny little dispute within what Hunter calls the ‘progressivist’ ranks.
People on the postmodernist side of this dispute tend to share Noam Chomsky’s view of the United States as run by a corrupt elite which aims at enriching itself by immiserating the Third World . From that perspective, our country is not so much in danger of slipping into fascism as it is a country which has always been quasi-fascist. These people typically think that nothing will change unless we get rid of ‘humanism’, ‘liberal individualism’, and ‘technologism’. People like me see nothing wrong with any of these -isms, nor with the political and moral heritage of the Enlightenment – with the least common denominator of Mill and Marx, Trotsky and Whitman, William James and Vaclav Havel. Typically, we Deweyans are sentimentally patriotic about America – willing to grant that it could slide into fascism at any time, but proud of its past and guardedly hopeful about its future.
Most people on my side of this second, tiny, upmarket cultural war have, in the light of the history of nationalized enterprises and central planning in central and eastern Europe, given up on socialism. We are willing to grant that welfare state capitalism is the best we can hope for. Most of us who were brought up Trotskyite now feel forced to admit that Lenin and Trotsky did more harm than good, and that Kerensky has gotten a bum rap for the past 70 years. But we see ourselves as still faithful to everything that was good in the socialist movement. Those on the other side, however, still insist that nothing will change unless there is some sort of total revolution. . . .
I am distrusted by both the ‘orthodox’ side in the important war and the ‘postmodern’ side in the unimportant one, because I think that the ‘postmoderns’ are philosophically right though politically silly, and that the ‘orthodox’ are philosophically wrong as well as politically dangerous. Unlike both the orthodox and the postmoderns, I do not think that you can tell much about the worth of a philosopher’s views on topics such as truth, objectivity and the possibility of a single vision by discovering his politics, or his irrelevance to politics. . . .
Both the orthodox and the postmoderns still want a tight connection between people’s politics and their views on large theoretical (theological, metaphysical, epistemological, metaphilosophical) matters. Some postmodernists who initially took my enthusiasm for Derrida to mean that I must be on their political side decided, after discovering that my politics were pretty much those of Hubert Humphrey, that I must have sold out. The orthodox tend to think that people who, like the postmodernists and me, believe neither in God nor in some suitable substitute, should think that everything is permitted, that everybody can do what they like. So they tell us that we are either inconsistent or self-deceptive in putting forward our moral or political views.
I take this near unanimity among my critics to show that most people – even a lot of purportedly liberated postmodernists – still hanker for something like what I wanted when I was 15: a way of holding reality and justice in a single vision. More specifically, they want to unite their sense of moral and political responsibility with a grasp of the ultimate determinants of our fate. They want to see love, power and justice as coming together deep down in the nature of things, or in the human soul, or in the structure of language, or somewhere. They want some sort of guarantee that their intellectual acuity, and those special ecstatic moments which that acuity sometimes affords, are of some relevance to their moral convictions. They still think that virtue and knowledge are somehow linked – that being right about philosophical matters is important for right action. I think this is important only occasionally and incidentally.
This is also my view; the postmoderns are philosophically right about truth and they are wrong about politics. When I discovered Rorty, I stopped wasting time looking for a grand unifying philosophical theory:
This means that the fact that you have obligations to other people (not to bully them, to join them in overthrowing tyrants, to feed them when they are hungry) does not entail that what you share with other people is more important than anything else. What you share with them, when you are aware of such moral obligations, is not, I argued in Contingency, ‘rationality’ or ‘human nature’ or ‘the fatherhood of God’ or ‘a knowledge of the Moral Law’, or anything other than ability to sympathize with the pain of others. There is no particular reason to expect that your sensitivity to that pain, and your idiosyncratic loves, are going to fit within one big overall account of how everything hangs together. There is, in short, not much reason to hope for the sort of single vision that I went to college hoping to get.
Rorty says that philosophers have interesting things to say, but:
. . . we are not the people to come to if you want confirmation that the things you love with all your heart are central to the structure of the universe, or that your sense of moral responsibility is ‘rational and objective’ rather than ‘just’ a result of how you were brought up.
There are still, as C. S. Peirce put it, ‘philosophical slop-shops on every corner’ which will provide such confirmation. But there is a price. To pay the price you have to turn your back on intellectual history and on what Milan Kundera calls ‘the fascinating imaginative realm where no one owns the truth and everyone has the right to be understood . . . the wisdom of the novel’. You risk losing the sense of finitude, and the tolerance, which result from realizing how very many synoptic visions there have been, and how little argument can do to help you choose among them. Despite my relatively early disillusionment with Platonism, I am very glad that I spent all those years reading philosophy books. For I learned something that still seems very important: to distrust the intellectual snobbery which originally led me to read them. If I had not read all those books, I might never have been able to stop looking for what Derrida calls ‘a full presence beyond the reach of play’, for a luminous, self-justifying, self-sufficient synoptic vision.
The entire essay is a beautifully written defense of philosophical pragmatism.
READER COMMENTS
Market Fiscalist
Nov 20 2020 at 9:32pm
So are you are claiming that Rorty supports NGDPLT ?
(BTW, Thanks for posting this – I think there is a reasonable chance I will agree with it once I’ve spent the rest of the evening working out what he is actually saying!)
James
Nov 21 2020 at 12:00am
So the important culture war for postmodernism is between left and right and postmodernism favors the left? Good to know.
KevinDC
Nov 21 2020 at 8:45am
I’ve been much less impressed with Rorty than Scott has been. I’d cheerfully concede that he’s better than most postmodernists, but that’s the proverbial “damning with faint praise.” I’ve read most of his major works and wasn’t just unpersuaded, I came away convinced that postmodernism and its critique of ideas like truth and objectivity were about on par with an assertion that 2 + 2 = 5. Indeed, postmodernists are possibly the only example I can think of where I have found Noam Chomsky to be a sensible voice in counterpoint, and finding Chomsky sensible is a rare occurrence for me to say the least.
However, like Scott, I don’t waste time looking for a grand unifying political theory, or a grand unifying moral theory. But the lack of such grand theories doesn’t lead me to political or moral skepticism, nor to postmodernism. After all, the cumulative efforts of the smartest humans alive over millennia is yet to produce a grand unifying theory of physics – and if such a thing ever was discovered, it would undoubtedly be too much for me to understand anyway. But even though I know I’ll never understand a hypothetical grand theory of physics, that’s okay – I still understand what will happen if I stepped in front of a moving truck, and that’s still worthwhile information to have and act upon. In exactly the same way, I’m perfectly comfortable saying things like theft, rape, arson, murder, slavery, and totalitarianism are wrong, even if I never have and never will possess a grand unifying moral or political theory. To doubt basic points like that because we don’t have a grand unifying moral and political theory to explain them, seems to me exactly as foolish as doubting what will happen with the truck hits you because we don’t have a unifying theory of physics.
Scott Sumner
Nov 21 2020 at 1:25pm
You said:
“But even though I know I’ll never understand a hypothetical grand theory of physics, that’s okay – I still understand what will happen if I stepped in front of a moving truck, and that’s still worthwhile information to have and act upon. In exactly the same way, I’m perfectly comfortable saying things like theft, rape, arson, murder, slavery, and totalitarianism are wrong, even if I never have and never will possess a grand unifying moral or political theory. To doubt basic points like that because we don’t have a grand unifying moral and political theory to explain them, seems to me exactly as foolish as doubting what will happen with the truck hits you because we don’t have a unifying theory of physics.”
That’s exactly Rorty’s point. Be pragmatic!
KevinDC
Nov 21 2020 at 5:50pm
You said:
I disagree. What I’m saying is that even if you don’t have a grand unifying theory of everything, some things are still obviously true and you shouldn’t doubt the truth of them because you lack such a grand theory. Rorty makes much more extravagant claims, rejecting the very idea of things being true at all. This is very different from my claim. And Rorty makes his claims on the basis of what are (in my estimation) just embarrassingly bad arguments. Indeed, in a way, Rorty did more to convince me that postmodernism wasn’t worth taking seriously. The (relative) clarity of his prose, in contrast to the incomprehensible jargon of most postmodernists, made it patently clear that the Emperor was indeed wearing no clothes.
Scott Sumner
Nov 21 2020 at 11:26pm
You said:
“Rorty makes much more extravagant claims, rejecting the very idea of things being true at all.”
I think you misunderstand what Rorty is arguing. He would never deny that it’s true that 2+2 = 4.
KevinDC
Nov 22 2020 at 8:29am
While its always possible I may have misunderstood Rorty, I doubt it. But if I had, he makes it very easy to misunderstand him when he says things like “No description or interpretation is any closer to reality than any other. Some of them are more useful than others for some purposes but that’s about all you can say.”
So, I might make the statement “Napoleon Bonaparte was a French general who died before I was born,” and someone else might say “Napoleon Bonaparte is alive today and lives in a volcano lair and travels the world on the back of a psychic flying Tyrannosaurus Rex,” and according to Rorty, the first statement isn’t any closer to describing reality than the second – it’s just that it might prove more “useful” to believe it for certain purposes.
Overall, I don’t think it was for nothing that Scott Alexander used postmodernism to as the introductory example of the “motte and bailey” fallacy where “you make a bold, controversial statement. Then when somebody challenges you, you retreat to an obvious, uncontroversial statement, and say that was what you meant all along, so you’re clearly right and they’re silly for challenging you.”
Now, Rorty might have agreeably said that he doesn’t deny that 2 + 2 = 4 is “true.” But if you “taboo your words” I think him saying so would rest on his equivocation of “true” being “whatever happens to be useful to believe for a given purpose.” So when I say 2 + 2 = 4 is “true” and taboo my words, I’m saying 2 + 2 = 4 is [correspondent to reality], which Rorty would deny. He’d say 2 + 2 = 4 is [useful to believe]. So I wouldn’t take much stock from Rorty’s willingness to accept basic arithmetic.
Scott Sumner
Nov 22 2020 at 12:18pm
It would be more accurate to say that humans don’t deal directly with reality, we deal with human interpretations of reality. Some of those interpretations we believe with a high level of confidence, as with 2+2=4 or your Napoleon statement, and others involve more uncertainty, say global warming. But it’s always about human beliefs. Thus if I say “X is true” and if I say “I believe X is true” the statements are equivalent. The subjective/objective distinction is not useful, what is useful is talking about claims we hold with confidence, or that are widely accepted, and those that are more uncertain.
KevinDC
Nov 22 2020 at 12:58pm
And this is why I keep thinking about the motte and bailey fallacy with discussions of postmodernism. What you’ve reiterated just now is a motte – pretty safe and reasonable. People don’t perceive reality directly, we have to work with our perceptions, we can’t know things for certain, we have to deal with beliefs with varying degrees of uncertainty – yep, I’ll sign off on all that. If merely believing that was all it meant to be a postmodernist, then I guess I would be one too.
But still, that’s just the motte, the trivial truism that is retreated to when one criticizes Rorty’s much bolder claims like “No description or interpretation is any closer to reality than any other.” This goes far further than merely asserting that we can’t know things with absolute certainty, and that due to human perception we have to deal with varying degrees of uncertainty. The latter is a mere platitude, and the former is outright preposterous. Switching back and forth between them as though they were equivalent is equally preposterous.
It’s also one reason why I have found reading and discussing things with postmodernists to be so unproductive.
Phil H
Nov 21 2020 at 10:57am
I’m not sure I agree with the title as stated. Postmodernism is extremely skeptical of the status quo, and conservatism has got to kind of like the status quo, at least a bit, to count as conservative, right?
For me the only question would be whether the right wing is actually conservative. But if we accept that traditional equation, then postmodernism must be opposed to the right. Of course, you can be left wing and not postmodernist, as well.
Scott Sumner
Nov 21 2020 at 1:24pm
Phil, You said:
“and conservatism has got to kind of like the status quo”
Conservatism can be defined in many ways, but most 20th century conservatives did not like the status quo in China when Mao was in charge. The favor specific concepts such as private property.
In any case, my point is that you can have a postmodern take on truth and still vote for right wing parties. There is no contradiction.
James
Nov 22 2020 at 12:53am
Most right wing parties in the West derive their policy positions from foundational ideas that trace back to, among others, Locke, Hume, Moses and Jesus. Postmodern thinking seems to contradict those foundations.
Then there are the actual political loyalties of actual postmodernists. The overwhelming majority support left wing political movements. That could be coincidence, but that seems to improbable.
Scott Sumner
Nov 22 2020 at 1:52am
James, I don’t see how postmodernism contradicts Locke and Hume, but then I’m not an expert on philosophy.
You said:
“That could be coincidence, but that seems to improbable.”
Why? I’d guess that the overwhelming majority of philosophers are on the left. Suppose you found out that 95% of sociologists were left wing; would you assume that one must be left wing to be a sociologist?
James
Nov 22 2020 at 8:29pm
Locke, Hume, et al are foundationalists and they take the existence of objective truth as given. If pomo thinking is right then they are wrong on both so their entire philosophies fail and with them the conservative ideologies based on those philosophies.
Philosophy is mostly left but the pomo subset is even more left.
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:49pm
How about this?
https://www.redbrick.me/david-hume-the-first-postmodernist/
David Henderson
Nov 22 2020 at 9:24am
I literally didn’t understand this.
Scott Sumner
Nov 22 2020 at 12:21pm
Perhaps a second reading. 🙂
Seriously, I do understand how Rorty’s views are counterintuitive. When I was younger, I would have thought Rorty was crazy (if I had known about him).
David Henderson
Nov 22 2020 at 2:16pm
Fair enough. I’ll try.
James
Nov 22 2020 at 11:54pm
Scott,
Rorty is probably the least bad writer in the postmodern camp but his writing is still nearly impenetrable to outsiders. You, on the other hand, are actually a pretty clear writer so maybe you could explain the benefits of postmodernism in a dialect that the rest of us can understand. Can you describe some problem that went unsolved until postmodern methods were applied?
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:42pm
From Rorty I learned that there is no one single correct method. You look at an issue from many different perspectives, and gradually construct a coherent and persuasive argument.
That’s why I wrote my book on the Great Depression, rather than just run some VARs. Yes, my book was not successful, but that’s also the approach used in Friedman and Schwartz’s highly successful history of the US monetary system.
James
Dec 1 2020 at 12:37am
I asked for an example of a problem that went unsolved until postmodern methods were applied. I’ll assume that in your book you actually solved some unsolved problem. Did you use some method that is uniquely postmodern?
You didn’t need postmodernism to know that for many problems it’s worthwhile to try multiple approaches. Skeptics of postmodernism consider practicality, use a plurality of methods to solve complex problems, etc. We don’t need to abandon the notion of objective truth or say that reality is a social construct to do any of that stuff either. To us, the good things about postmodernism are not unique to it and the unique things about postmodernism are not good. It is hard to see what practical benefit anyone gets from intellectually affiliating with postmodern thinkers but pretty clear to see the downside.
I’ll ask again with more precision: Is there any problem that *went unsolved* and then *was solved* by applying some *uniquely postmodern* method? There were three criteria in that question.
KevinDC
Nov 22 2020 at 9:30am
My inner voice read this comment with the tone and tenor of the character of Chris Traeger from “Parks and Recreation” and that made me smile.
KevinDC
Nov 22 2020 at 9:31am
Oops, that comment was meant to be a reply to David Henderson’s comment. Clearly another cup of coffee is in order.
KevinDC
Nov 22 2020 at 4:05pm
My natural crankiness has lead me to post a bit of snark about my low opinion of postmodernism as a philosophy, which is tangential to Scott’s main point. So I do feel bound to mention that I agree with Scott’s main point – postmodernism isn’t intrinsically left wing. What Scott is saying here reminds me of what Steve Horwitz has said about Austrian economics* – Austrian economics is not a series of policy conclusions, it’s a method of analyzing human action. Accepting the methodology of Austrian economics doesn’t commit you to any specific policy conclusions, just like accepting the philosophy of postmodernism doesn’t commit you to left or right wing political views. While there are often correlations to be found, it’s important to recognize that these are still logically distinct domains. That’s why you can find people like Roderick Long, whose political views are on the hard left, but he advocates free market anarchism precisely because he believes a stateless free market society is the best way to achieve leftist goals.
*If it matters to anyone at all, while I do think there have been great and brilliant economists in the Austrian tradition and I think Austrians have valid and worthwhile points, I count myself overall as critical of Austrian economics.
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:39pm
I recall that Foucault became interested in Hayek late in his life.
Weir
Nov 22 2020 at 5:53pm
Rorty put it better in an interview: “There are lots of things you can’t justify that are important. Your mother, for example. There are things that are so basic to one’s identity that one wouldn’t know who one was if one stopped cherishing them. John Dewey felt that way about democratic institutions and I suppose I do, too.”
How Rorty could be so sure of Dewey’s commitment to democratic institutions, I don’t get. This was the same Dewey who said the “essence” of the revolution in Russia was “its release of courage, energy and confidence in life.” That it was a “revolution of heart and mind, this liberation of a people to consciousness of themselves as a determining power in the shaping of their ultimate fate.”
A man in a hurry is going to bypass the whole complicated legislative process when he has just enough of the nine justices on his side, or a president with a pen and a phone. So the slow-moving “democratic institutions” were important to Rorty. Just not as important as some specific outcomes regardless of the procedures by which they’d been procured. The more loyalty you feel for a certain party, the less is left over for philosophy.
But lots of things are important. That part is true. A woman can feel a fondness for a place or an attachment to some particular thing. Green curtains, Sartre said. I prefer Camus: “People are now planting bombs in the tramways of Algiers. My mother might be on one of those tramways. If that is justice, then I prefer my mother.”
The revolution in France, Burke said, was a kind of conquest in which the victors “contemn a subdued people, and insult their feelings,” and “destroy all vestiges of the ancient country, in religion, in polity, in laws and in manners.” But Burke could tolerate the arbitrary, the makeshift, and the irrational, the same as Oakeshott or Hayek or Scruton: “There is already in the social contract theories of the eighteenth century a kind of wishful thinking about human nature, a belief that people can reshape their obligations without reference to their affections, so as to produce an abstract calculus of rights and duties in the place of their contingent and historical ties. The French Revolutionaries began their seizure of power by proposing a ‘Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen’ that would sweep away all the arbitrary arrangements of history, so as to place Reason on the throne that had previously been occupied by a mere human being. But within weeks of the Declaration, while the country was being governed in the name of the Nation, the Patrie, and the Rights of Man, the old contingent association was being summoned in another and far more dangerous form, in order to fill the gap in people’s affections that had been made by the destruction of custom and neighbourhood. Very soon it became clear that the ‘rights’ promised in the Declaration had not been conferred on ‘the enemies of the people,’ that those enemies were everywhere and that no citizen could be sure that he wasn’t one of them.”
Ferdinand Mount: “If politics is a science, then it is a kind of geology.”
Michael Walzer: “Even ‘true intellectuals’ have parents, friends, familiar places, warm memories. Perfect solitude, like existential heroism, is a romantic idea, and it is closely connected to another romantic idea: the absolute opposition between art, philosophy, and moral value, on the one hand, and ordinary life, mundane concern, ‘bourgeois society,’ on the other. As if the critic plucks his principles from the sky! In bad times, it is precisely the principles of ordinary life that need to be asserted.”
George Orwell: “There is one part of you that wishes to be a hero or a saint, but another part of you is a little fat man who sees very clearly the advantages of staying alive with a whole skin. He is your unofficial self, the voice of the belly protesting against the soul. His tastes lie towards safety, soft beds, no work, pots of beer and women with ‘voluptuous’ figures.”
So you could read Rorty’s gloss on Kundera or Havel or Nabokov. But you could read the authors themselves. You could read Notes From Underground or a really brilliant essay by Isaiah Berlin.
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:50pm
Good comment.
Market Fiscalist
Nov 22 2020 at 10:07pm
I think that Trumpism proves that post-modernism’ is not an inherently left wing ideology’.
Trumpists claims that the election was rigged. Attempts to reject these claims by appeals to ‘objective’ facts and evidence are rejected as these are ‘facts’ are mere artifacts created by the (social and traditional) media. A greater truth is the narrative ‘felt’ by Trump supporters – there is no way Trump could really have lost this election. The real ‘truth’ is that Trumpism is being suppressed by the existing power structure and this gives Trumpists the the legitimacy needed to subvert this oppressive power structure.
If that isn’t a post-modernist ideology I don’t know what is.
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:51pm
Rather than say it’s a postmodern ideology; perhaps it would be better to say it’s evidence in favor of postmodern views of how humans are biased?
Market Fiscalist
Nov 23 2020 at 1:01pm
Yes, that is probably a better way of looking at it – that Trumpism can plausibly be understood from within a post-modernists framework. It is still tempting to imagine Trump as a post-modern artist of genius though .
RPLong
Nov 23 2020 at 9:08am
I like Postmodernism in art and in music. I don’t have any use for it in philosophy. Despite her bad reputation among philosophers, I actually think Ayn Rand’s critique of postmodernism is really clever and apt. (“Has the Undertaker decided if he exists yet?”) You don’t need to start with the Peano Axioms to determine how many dinner plates you’re going to need at Thanksgiving dinner, and you don’t need to resolve Postmodern critiques of language and/or reality in order to make concrete scientific or other progress.
Scott Sumner
Nov 23 2020 at 12:53pm
You also don’t need to believe in free will in order to make choices.
RPLong
Nov 23 2020 at 1:58pm
Sorry, I was talking about Rand’s other critiques of Postmodernism, and it sounds like you might agree with one of them. Rand wrote that philosophy was supposed to help ordinary people live their lives. Or, to put it differently, philosophy should be about helping people make the right choice, not about debating whether that choice can be properly described as “free will.” I think this critique is a home run.
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