
A few years ago, I answered the question in this post’s title in the negative:
It seems to me that human progress is very uneven:
Technology: Very rapid progress
Science: Rapid Progress
Public morals: Slow progress
Sports: Slow progress
Human personalities: No progress
Art: No progress
Now, I wonder if this judgment was too hasty. Perhaps I was thinking about the issue in the wrong way. In this post, I’ll suggest that I was mixing up stocks and flows, and that this distorted my view of the relative progress in these two fields.
To be clear, I understand the argument for why science seems much more progressive than art. Science has advanced enormously over the past few centuries, whereas many of the best-regarded artists in music, painting, poetry and the theatre did their work hundreds of years ago.
But now I wonder if this is a sort of “apples and oranges” comparison. It seems to me that a field can be judged either by its stock of achievements, or its flow of creativity. Thinking back on my earlier post, I believe I was comparing the stock of scientific knowledge to the flow of artistic creativity. Let’s reverse those criteria, using physics as a stand in for science. What’s happened to the stock of artistic achievement, and what’s happened to the flow of scientific creativity?
During the first 30 years of the 20th century, physicists discovered the structure of the atom. They developed the theory of quantum mechanics. They developed special and general relativity. Undoubtedly there were many more discoveries, but those are some of the most important. Fields of applied physics such as astronomy also saw important discoveries, including the structure of stars, the existence of galaxies and the expansion of the universe.
Unless I’m mistaken, the past 30 years have not seen discoveries of this importance, although progress continues to occur in many areas. Nonetheless, from a “flow of creativity” perspective, you could argue that physics is in decline, and that the greatest achievements occurred many years in the past. Who is the Einstein of today?
Now let’s consider artistic knowledge from a “stock perspective”. I would argue that the art world is significantly ahead of where it was 100 years ago, and vastly ahead of where it was 200 years ago. This progress has taken several forms:
1. New artists continually appear on the scene, adding to our stock of artistic creations. Painting such as Picasso’s Guernica did not exist 100 years ago. If you go back 200 years, then entire styles such as Impressionism and Post-Impressionism did not exist.
2. Our understanding of the field of art has improved relative to where it was in past centuries. In the mid-1800s, Vermeer’s paintings existed, and were not completely unknown to art connoisseurs. And yet most art experts lacked the ability to appreciate his greatness. Today, even people with just an undergraduate course in art history can appreciate Vermeer. Many more examples could be cited, especially as you move up in time toward the present. Thus by 1890, Vermeer had been “discovered” and yet Van Gogh remained undiscovered.
Goethe was one of the supreme minds of the early 19th century. In his book entitled Italian Journey, he shows what a superbly educated European might have been able to know about painting back in 1816. And yet I suspect that I know even more about painting than Goethe did. That’s not because I have a better mind, rather it’s because I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, looking out over a field of knowledge that has expanded dramatically in the past 200 years. As an analogy, a college sophomore majoring in physics might well know more physics than did Isaac Newton.
So why the perception that art is regressing while science advances? I see several possible reasons:
1. Lots of abstract art and atonal music makes no sense to most people. But it’s also true that quantum mechanics and relativity make no sense to most people. Given enough time and progress, any field of human endeavor will advance beyond the comprehension of most people.
2. But people are willing to accept models such as quantum mechanics and relativity, when told that these models underlie the technology that leads to things like lasers or iPhones. For this reason, science is more respected than art. But the fact that people who don’t understand either field accept one of the two as a matter of faith is hardly a good argument for the claim that science is more progressive than art.
3. People apply a double standard. They judge art on a flow basis—how does the flow of good new art compare to the flow of good new art in previous eras? In science, they look at the accumulated stock of knowledge, which is generally increasing. That’s a double standard, favoring science.
In my view, most of the traditional fields of art and science are well past their “golden age.” Rapid progress tends to occur when new techniques open up possibilities for creativity—the knowledge equivalent of the Oklahoma land grab, when people rushed in to take land that was suddenly available. In science, techniques like deciphering the genome have recently allowed big gains in our understanding of how and where ancient peoples migrated. Areas of science without new techniques tend to eventually stagnate. In art, painting has stagnated and filmmaking has taken over as the most vibrant visual art over the past 100 years.
In my own field (macroeconomics), things seem to have regressed in recent decades. Fewer economists seem to understand that low interest rates don’t imply easy money. Fewer economists seem to understand that fiscal stimulus is largely ineffective due to monetary offset. Fewer economists seem to understand that the Fed determines the long run rate of inflation. Fewer economists seem to understand that trade barriers don’t improve the economy. Macro is declining in both a stock and a flow sense.
READER COMMENTS
Richard W Fulmer
Jun 14 2024 at 11:16am
Is Economics an art or a science?
Scott Sumner
Jun 15 2024 at 11:21am
Science.
steve
Jun 15 2024 at 12:00pm
Haruspicy!
Steve
Richard W Fulmer
Jun 15 2024 at 11:23pm
Here’s ChatGPT’s response:
Copilot offers a similar analysis:
Scott Sumner
Jun 16 2024 at 1:20pm
ChatGPT has a long way to go. Those are horrendously bad responses. Economics is not an art. Full stop.
Is it a science? I’d say yes, but it entirely depends on how one defines science. In any case, definitions don’t much matter. Who cares? It is what it is.
But the arguments in those responses are just incredibly stupid. We interpret data? That makes us an art? And scientists don’t make policy recommendations? Is this a spoof?
Warren Platts
Jun 17 2024 at 4:39pm
Imagine having to grade a hundred undergraduate papers on something like that….
vince
Jun 15 2024 at 1:48pm
Neither. It’s a social science. Some say social science is an oxymoron. It depends on your definition.
Knut P. Heen
Jun 17 2024 at 7:27am
The definition of a science depends on the methods you use, not on the topic. The scientific method attempts to prove that a theory is false. The theories that survive are potentially correct. Some economists use this method, others do not. “Trust the science” is a religion.
Scott Sumner
Jun 17 2024 at 7:30pm
“The scientific method attempts to prove that a theory is false.”
That’s just one of many scientific methods.
steve
Jun 14 2024 at 12:51pm
I think it’s more that art changes. It’s seldom static. Defining progress is pretty difficult. Certainly art incorporates many more materials and means of expression but is that the art progressing or just tech? The electric guitar is really different than a classical guitar in many ways but you need the artistry to bring that out. CGI generated animation is clearly the result of new tech but absent the artistic side it would just be pretty moving pictures. Spirited Away, Akira, Fireflies couldn’t work with live actors I think but just the existence of the tech doesnt lead to the movies. You need the artists.
Now, is it progress making those instead of another Casablanca? From my POV I dont see why it would be either/or. Good to have both?
Steve
CRK
Jun 14 2024 at 2:21pm
I agree with most of what you said and i believe the same problem is affecting science and art(a quite spongible term– or is it simply CONTENT now?🤔) which is competition over collaboration in fields where competition(patents, trade secrets, IP, etc.) blocks knowledge, breaks concentration, and contributes to different scientific communities wasting mind and resources going down dead ends another group ventured down behind a different corporate logo.
Art just is as always. Its like a book, quiet until you open it and then the loudness it speaks to you is usually good measure of personal resonance.
The shrinking and swiping of images has definitely had an ill effect on even the best of getty’s images getting through like a V-Day kiss in 1945.
But what art can do outside the gallery system (i approach it from the caves of Lascaux since we are still the same people just with bigger brains.) is to provide a vibe that people can trust easier now that words are seemingly meaningless depending on soooo many useless, petty contexts. Everyone has jargon now, it seems, even the political scoundrels.
The vibe cannot lie.
The young who inherited our skewed metrics and measures take comfort in the vibe it seems. They can trust it.
They can trust it until…
… yep, the vibe CHANGES.
Art can start, extend, end, or change ALL vibes.
It is why those who cannot handle a stranger’s joy like to mock and denigrate the arts(protip: those people don’t stop mocking and denigrating everything until each night’s fitful sleep.)
Going back to science, we see elon and bezos competing for government contracts when if they joined forces and used NASA as quality control and a research hub, BLUE SPACE X could develop products and further scientific progress while also contributing to NASA’s research and bring those bright people now disparate, together to make things brighter for us all.
But two people would have to get over themselves. Science and art are used to waiting for the money people trying to get their way first. It’s a shame.
Outside of ego, there was no reason for edison and tesla to be rivals and not collaborators. Neither one went as far as they may have went together. It seems due to distrust and an unwillingness to change their shared bad vibe with each other that much research was lost or slowed.
If you read john deloreans book “you can see general motors from here”, you’ll learn once they (GM engineers) had reached a level of technical achievement that could be applied to each type of vehicle, the engineers wanted to come out with new model of each type every 5 years, with minor alterations to body and interior that just kept things up-to-date and made replacement parts cheaper to make (5 years of the same part, no maze of new bells on old whistles(like the ‘innovative’ shifter that killed actor Anton Yelchin) and would give engineers a 5 year(!) headstart for the NEXT phase of research.
But the marketers of GM, who knew the marketers of whirlpool and their dancing wives anointing each appliance as if a lady could be Pope(!) said that makes our job boring!
Since management has a natural distaste for those they manage who are better and smarter than they are, management gave marketers the win (probably since management KNEW it was smarter than those crap-artist marketers. Also a nice way to show engineers that science and reason don’t always win.
It seems that was Delorean’s chuck-berry’s-cousin-in-back-to-the-future-like moment when his stainless steel dream had became an outline at the least.
Sometimes money and reason are synonymous but not always and hardly never now since profit maximization has added new layers of plaque to our collective circulatory AND central nervous systems.
It seems all ancient practices of education and enlightenment must band together TODAY to provide comfort and security to those lost to digital dysphoric disorder and their families. Art brings the trusting vibe, science heals and helps us understand, but religion sadly, has went backwards as it willingly gets crucified to redeem market externalities and the end result makes only useless suffering, willful ignorance, and blatant lies its guiding whims today. It is thin, gray gruel they slurp and it is only by their rancid lies and fake smiles about how great the darkened dishwaterlike broth tastes that we know they are full of it. The caves of Lascaux show their hypocrisy. Gregor Mendel shows their willful ignorance. Taylor Swift, Caitlyn Clark, and Beyonce give hope to generations of women born under the church’s rigid misogyny.
Money and control are what the church and men like bezos, musk(BM) want. Do they not realize how much they already have?
But what they have is never what they wanted, only a placeholder until something shinier comes along.
Its a shame that they mistakenly believe art can change the world and that ALONE justifies its banishment or flattened relegation to “content”. It doesn’t change the world, but it can change people’s conceptions of themselves and their place in the world. That is loss of control. And that is what the money is for.
Thank you for your time, sir.
Your blog made it onto my google news feed so congrats on getting to the bigs by bloggin(no small feat in this day and age lol)
Take care,
Chris R. K.
David S
Jun 15 2024 at 12:12pm
When it comes to architecture I feel like the last visual innovators were Corbusier, the Bauhaus Modernists, and Erich Mendelsohn. Anything that’s considered top tier right now is derivative of those practitioners and their styles. Technical innovations in architecture move a very slow pace, and are often unrelated to what the “starchitects” are producing. Since I’ve been practicing the big changes have been LED lighting, improved heat pump technology, and a larger menu of composite materials for finishes.
Philosophically, my profession is more corrupt and incompetent than economics. Greenwashing is a fundamental element of our service, despite its irrelevance to actual sustainable design.
Scott Sumner
Jun 15 2024 at 10:12pm
Louis Kahn was pretty great.
Phil H
Jun 17 2024 at 10:12am
“So why the perception that art is regressing while science advances?”
I still maintain that if you apply the proper ‘old man’ discount to your own views, that perception just disappears. Everyone thinks things were better in the past (particularly when they were younger). Given that we know this, the rational approach is simply to apply a hefty discount to any of your own views that find something very new to be not good, or that find something old to be superior.
The world is full of older people who are certain that they are the one who has escaped this particular bias. And every time I raise this I’m indignantly told, “no, Jane Austen/Rembrandt/Beethoven really are that good! Look, there’s lots of literature to back this up, and anyone who questions the greatness of the past is just silly.” But you have to do it, diligently, and even when it goes against your best instincts and all the literature in the world. Apply a corrective, downgrade your level of faith in your own judgments about the superiority of the past, and… well, I don’t know. There are still going to be a spread of different opinions about what’s great and what’s not. The best we can achieve is a statisical rebalancing of views, not a guarantee that any individual will have an undistorted/objective view. But I think the systematic “perception that art is regressing” will be very significantly reduced.
Scott Sumner
Jun 17 2024 at 7:32pm
Your “old man” theory cannot explain why in 2024 the best painting of the 1600s is viewed as superior to the best painting of the 1700s.
Warren Platts
Jun 17 2024 at 4:46pm
There was that discovery in 90’s where they figured out that the expansion of the universe was actually accelerating. That was pretty surprising at the time. But yeah, once you know everything, there’s nothing left to learn. So in principle, science must eventually come to an end.
Henri Hein
Jun 25 2024 at 4:03pm
I don’t know how to compare art and science, but I want to highlight two areas of art that have exploded within the last decade or two:
Video games. I don’t want to rehash the argument for video games as art, as it’s potentially long, but here is an article in favor: https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2015/10/13/an-argument-that-video-games-are-indeed-high-art/. The Smithsonian had a Video Games as Art exhibit.
Music. Take a look at Every Noise at Once. Just browsing the categories, the amount of fusion and synthesis and derivatives – at the category level, not even the band level – is mind-boggling. (You can click each category to listen to a short sample, and the widget to drill down to a page with bands representative of that category, but I should warn you that if you start with that it could easily eat up your afternoon).
Henri Hein
Jun 25 2024 at 4:07pm
Looks like formatting and links got removed. Here are the missing links:
https://everynoise.com
https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2015/10/13/an-argument-that-video-games-are-indeed-high-art/
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