Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal published excerpts of the forthcoming memoirs of Mike Pence. We may suspect that the former vice-president has yielded to the human temptation of making oneself look more endearing rather than less. But even accounting for this, the comparative portrait that emerges of Donald Trump is not exactly flattering. Pence was the former president’s loyal servant during four years. He stopped serving when he would have had to violate the Constitution by refusing to certify the results of the 2020 elections. Among the many notable excerpts:
I told [the President], as I had many times, that I didn’t believe I possessed that power under the Constitution.
“You’re too honest,” he chided. “Hundreds of thousands are gonna hate your guts. . . . People are gonna think you’re stupid.”
The difficulty of reconstituting a verbal exchange being granted, this reflection of Mr. Trump’s image on the still water of the swamp looks as good as a high-resolution photograph. Trump has never been known to take honesty as a virtue. Perhaps he simply does not realize that there exists an external reality distinct from his wishes and words, but I will ignore this possibility as a separate hypothesis. The picture painted by Mr. Pence in the WSJ excerpts is consistent with what other high-level collaborators of Trump described in their own recollections.
One may think that a ruler’s dishonesty is not catastrophic in a constitutional—that is, limited—government, because the system is supposed to be foolproof against that. David Hume represented the (classical) liberal tradition well when he wrote (“On the Independency of Parliament,” in Essays: Moral, Political, and Literary, Revised Edition [Liberty Fund, 1994]):
Political writers have established it as a maxim, that, in contriving any system of government, and fixing the several checks and controuls of the constitution, every man ought to be supposed a knave, and to have no other end, in all his actions, than private interest. … Without this, say they, we shall in vain boast of the advantages of any constitution, and shall find, in the end, that we have no security for our liberties or possessions, except the good-will of our rulers; that is, we shall have no security at all.
There are many flaws in the hope that a knave can do no bad at the helm of the state as we know it. The first problem is that contemporary democratic governments have acquired irresistible powers to intervene in most areas of life. As Montesquieu would have said, our governments represent the power of the people, not the liberty of the people. A second problem is that current public opinion does not effectively buttress the values necessary to maintain a free society, a drift that haunted James Buchanan.
Economists generally expect politicians to be self-interested like the rest of us. Politicians are not angels. They probably lie more than ordinary individuals because the cost of lying is lower when you promise to rationally ignorant voters intricate bundles of complex measures with long-term consequences that are impossible to know. Voters are rationally ignorant in the sense that they have no incentives to get information as their individual votes will not count anyway.
But dishonesty and certainly ingrained dishonesty—the habit of cheating in all ways possible to promote one’s self-interest—are something else than mere self-interest within ordinary and perhaps loose moral rules. It may be a matter of degree, but at the top of the political pyramid, especially in a regime of imperial presidency, ingrained dishonesty is likely to be corrosive and dangerous for liberty.
READER COMMENTS
Craig
Nov 11 2022 at 2:55pm
Kemp, Hobbes and Pence (and before him ANY sitting Vice President standing for reelection) all seem to have been sitting in position where they would possess some authority over the very elections that they are individually standing for. Its an inherent conflict of interest.
The topic itself is one that its too soon after the events to be objective about the Framer’s intent about the Vice President’s authority in that situation. Aside from that Trump taking it to the mat is actually somewhat interesting constitutionally.
In one sense either Pence has the constitutional authority to exercise his judgment in that situation or his authority is purely ceremonial. If its the latter, why bother? If its the former, well, the power would be granted in a way that the presumption would be that he wouldn’t wield that authority in an arbitrary and capricious manner. Of course one should rightfully revert right back to the aforementioned conflict of interest, but in theory if one goes along with the concept of the political question doctrine here that call would be Pence’s and Pence’s alone.
If that is the case Pence’s assertion that he didn’t have the power is theoretically wrong and he did have the power but he actually CHOSE to exercise that power in a way to certify the election, ie “The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted” and Pence did his best Jeff Probst imitation and actually, in good faith, counted the votes.
What happens if he doesn’t? Trump’s term still would’ve ended. Failing to certify doesn’t mean Trump automatically gets to remain in office. It would, at least initially, preclude Biden from taking the oath. I’d suggest perhaps if one follows the logic of the XII Amendment the issues gets taken to the House voting in state contingents.
And then if the House can’t decide well: “then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President”
Hmmm, the entire thing does seem vulnerable to chicanery and surely was written on the presumption that the sitting Vice President would act, in good faith.
Should Pence have done it? Absolutely, Pence should’ve done it in good faith or bad faith because frankly at this point I have no faith. I’m a secessionist so way I see it if Pence failed to certify blowing the election to kingdom come, the left wouldn’t have accepted it and Trump would’ve been Augustulus. #calexit
In any event even if you don’t agree with me, and obviously most don’t! I still would suggest the obvious conflict of interests need to be addressed. I don’t care if it was Kemp in GA or Hobbes in AZ, it LOOKS bad, its the mere APPEARANCE of impropriety and that’s enough to set people off.
David Seltzer
Nov 11 2022 at 6:22pm
Pierre: “They probably lie more than ordinary individuals because the cost of lying is lower when you promise to rationally ignorant voters intricate bundles of complex measures with long-term consequences that are impossible to know. ” I suspect the disincentives to lie are low enough such that it is easier to lie or plagiarize with relative impunity. One exception is Joe Biden who was forced to drop out of the 1988 presidential race. The cost of lying is greater in the private sector as one can be cashiered when the falsehood is discovered. Jayson Blair of The NYT was caught lying about stories, quotes and events that never happened. The Times called Blair’s lying a “low point in the 152-year history of the newspaper” and fired him on May 1, 2003.
Andrea Mays
Nov 11 2022 at 6:28pm
We were one Mike Pence decision away from further catastrophe.
Pierre Lemieux
Nov 12 2022 at 12:29pm
Andrea: Yes, Americans (and lots of other human beings) owe him much. Let’s hope a large number of them will realize it. It would be only a first step.
I must say I am more impressed by the actions of the large number of humble and anonymous electoral officers who did not entertain the idea of living within a lie. The stand of judges, many nominated by Trump himself, is also worthy of praise. But as Hume said, it would be a mistake put all our hopes on virtue.
Craig
Nov 13 2022 at 11:56am
“Yes, Americans (and lots of other human beings) owe him much.”
I am naturally not surprised by your support for the regime in this particular respect, but to be honest I am surprised in your specific choice of words to express that support.
Pierre Lemieux
Nov 14 2022 at 11:50am
Craig: I am not really supporting the regime, just approving one gesture that would have detrimental to individual liberty and the very idea of truth.
On the my “specific choice of words,” would you care to elaborate?
Craig
Nov 14 2022 at 12:06pm
Oh just that you wrote: “Americans…owe him much.”
I just found that sentence coming from you to be somewhat unexpected, that’s all.
Pierre Lemieux
Nov 14 2022 at 2:58pm
Craig: I thought of writing “Nigerians,” but I feared it would be difficult to understand!
Craig
Nov 15 2022 at 11:21am
What about secessionist Floridians? 😉
nobody.really
Nov 14 2022 at 10:25am
“The growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.”
George Eliot (Mary Anne Evans), Middlemarch, A Study of Provincial Life (1871-72)
Pierre Lemieux
Nov 14 2022 at 11:52am
Nobody: That’s a great and inspiring quote.
Monte
Nov 11 2022 at 8:52pm
Neither has Biden. The trouble is that Biden’s supporters think Trump is responsible for both.
We’re well beyond “likely to be.” With rare exception, we choose from politicians who “from infirmity of character, make their election for the nearer good, though they know it to be the less valuable.” (from J. S. Mill’s Utilitarianism). Being an exceptionally good liar in politics these days is a highly sought after art form. Where have all the statesmen gone?
nobody.really
Nov 14 2022 at 10:49am
“No high minded man, no man of right feeling, can contemplate the lumbering and slovenly lying of the present day without grieving to see a noble art so prostituted.
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No fact is more firmly established than that lying is a necessity of our circumstances — the deduction that it is then a Virtue goes without saying. No virtue can reach its highest usefulness without careful and diligent cultivation — therefore, it goes without saying that this one ought to be taught in the public schools — even in the newspapers….
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[Skillful lying is] the fourth Grace, the tenth Muse, man’s best and surest friend.”
Mark Twain, On the Decay of the Art of Lying (1885)
nobody.really
Nov 14 2022 at 11:10am
What do we mean when we call someone “an exceptionally good liar”? In the past, I would have thought this referred to someone who could successfully deceive others. Yet much of the context of this discussion pertains to Donald Trump–a man who frequently lied, but in a manner that seemed inconsistent, transparently self-serving, and just not all that deceptive. And he achieved political success well beyond anything I expected. If lying was part of his formula for success, it suggests to me that successful lying does not really require deception.
To the contrary, perhaps successful lying entails doggedly defending ideas that your supporters know, at some level, to be a lie, and are therefore sensitive about it, and are therefore grateful to those who will bear the burden of its defense. The more indefensible the belief, the greater the gratitude for its defense.
Perhaps what makes Trump “an exceptionally good liar” is not his rhetorical skills, but his skill at identifying the indefensible lies which reside at the heart of many people’s self-concept. And here I think of the devil Screwtape instructing his subordinate devils in the art of tempting humans:
C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes a Toast (1959).
Monte
Nov 14 2022 at 1:56pm
WOW! I think nobody rang the bell on this high striker?
Jim Glass
Nov 16 2022 at 7:03pm
Donald Trump–a man who frequently lied, but in a manner that seemed inconsistent, transparently self-serving, and just not all that deceptive. And he achieved political success well beyond anything I expected. If lying was part of his formula for success, it suggests to me that successful lying does not really require deception.
Iteration with those lied to is key.
Cluster B personalities — narcissists, borderline, histrionic — can be extraordinary persuasive liars upon first meeting. What people think of them is of utmost importance to them, and they practice the skill of saying what needs to be said to maximize that every day of their entire lives. Nobody can stay with them as to this, argue with them and they’ll beat you every time. (The psychiatric prime directive for Cluster Bs: “Never argue.”)
But they always focus on the current moment, regardless of what they’ve said before. So if you actually pay attention to what they say, and do so over a period of time, you’ll gradually realize first that they are contradicting themselves, then that they are blatantly lying their butts off.
In my attorneying days I once knew a party who went through five (count ’em) lawyers on one case and wound up pro se. Each lawyer started off saying “This is the most informed, intelligent, insightful and presentable client I’ve ever had!”, and finished with “Judge, judge, I beg you, free me from this nightmare!” That client was a diagnosed borderline.
As to Trump — well, being unqualified to psychiatrically diagnose anyone, I’ll just say that his behavior appears totally “consistent” with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. His fan base never gets past the first meeting stage, getting nothing but speeches and tweets, so they totally buy into him. The members of his cabinet all got to the know-well stage, by their actions and reporting. They’ve bought their way out. The Repub party organization seems to be amid moving from the former to the latter these days.
MarkW
Nov 12 2022 at 7:03am
I’m reminded again of Jane Jacobs’ underrated Systems of Survival. Politicians (especially those at a nation level) tend to live according principles that Jacobs characterizes as the ‘Guardian Syndrome’ (as opposed to the ‘Commercial Syndrome’). Here are a few of the Guardian Syndrome precepts that fit Trump to a ‘T’:
Respect hierarchy (in Trump’s case ‘HIS authority and exalted position)
Be loyal
Take vengeance
Deceive for the sake of the task
Make rich use of leisure
Be ostentatious
This goes along with the idea that ‘Politics is not about policy’. No, unfortunately, too often it’s about hierarchy, loyalty, vengeance (against political ‘enemies’) and lying to succeed is routine.
Jon Murphy
Nov 12 2022 at 10:33am
Thanks for pointing out Jacobs’s book. It sound like her thesis is very relevant to something I am working on.
Pierre Lemieux
Nov 12 2022 at 12:20pm
Mark: Interesting comment!
Monte
Nov 12 2022 at 12:34pm
This equation apparently has more than one solution. As suspected, I substituted Biden for Trump and got the same fit.
Yes. Politics needs its villains. What we have here is a crossover series classic: Felonious Gru, the world’s most despicable man vs Walter, Jeff Dunham’s old man puppet.
MarkW
Nov 13 2022 at 8:28am
As suspected, I substituted Biden for Trump and got the same fit.
I wouldn’t be surprised. I think most politicians at that level are rather despicable human beings — very much including Biden (who I regard as easily the least intellectually capable and most corrupt president of my lifetime). Unfortunately, I think our politics selects for high-functioning sociopaths, that’s what we generally end up with. The thing about Trump, though, is that not being a lifelong politician, he seems less willing or able to conceal his motives. Other pols would probably just as willing to stick the knife in the backs of their ‘disloyal’ rivals, but most would try to do it via subterfuge, behind the scenes, trying to keep their own hands looking as clean as possible. But not Trump.
Monte
Nov 14 2022 at 10:10am
Agreed. Whether from the front or the back, hollow men both.
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