
(This post is part 7 of a series of posts on We Have Never Been Woke by Musa al-Gharbi. The previous entry is here.)

One of the questions that animated Musa al-Gharbi’s investigation into the causes and consequences of wokeness was why highly successful elites seem so eager to portray themselves as otherwise. As he puts it,
Why is it that the “winners” in the prevailing order seem so eager to paint themselves as helpless victims, as marginalized, as vulnerable, and as allies of the same? If it is a genuine disadvantage to be a woman, or a minority, or LGBTQ, or disabled, then why are elites so eager to identify themselves as these very things, or to publicly associate themselves with people who can—even to the point of bending the truth in order to accomplish these goals?
This is striking because it used to be the case that people in general, and the successful in particular, actively sought to avoid associating themselves with narratives of helplessness, victimhood, and vulnerability:
For instance, to be pitied by others used to be humiliating, and to be “victimized” by others was a source of shame. People were encouraged to directly (personally) confront those who wronged them. If they were unwilling or unable to stand up to aggressors, they were supposed to be stoic; to be proudly defiant; to not let those who harmed them see them broken. Respect was accorded to those who demonstrated themselves as capable and powerful, who were resilient to suffering and hardship, who were brave in the face of risk and danger, who were collected and confident in response to challenges and uncertainty. These values still prevail in much of the world, and indeed in many U.S. subcultures. However, sociologists Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning argue, a different moral culture has taken hold among contemporary symbolic capitalists – a “victimhood culture.”
Rather than status being achieved by facing hardship with poise, determination, and refusing to let adversity keep one down, this victimhood culture produces incentives to present oneself as being as weak, fragile, and vulnerable as possible – thus deserving of special protection by institutional power:
For instance, rather than directly confronting or negotiating with adversaries (settling things “between ourselves”), the norm in a victimhood culture would be to appeal to third parties to adjudicate conflicts, intervene one’s behalf, or offer support and validation. In order to enlist these third parties, harm is discussed in hyperbolic ways. People attempt to paint themselves as weak, vulnerable, helpless or damaged – especially relative to their adversaries. The wrongs done to oneself are are tied to historical and ongoing injustices affecting others. An awkward racially inflected comment, for instance, is not describe as an isolated remark made by a particular person within a specific context – instead, the comment is tied to America’s history of slavery or Jim Crow, or contemporary tragedies like the murder of George Floyd. Localized or otherwise trivial incidents are recast as fronts in cosmic struggles that others have a perceived stake in.
This creates additional incentives for people to gain status by bending over backwards to affirm every allegation of wrongdoing they encounter, no matter how little evidence there is to support the accusation. As an example, al-Gharbi describes how the actor Jesse Smollett claimed to have been the victim of a racist and homophobic attack, in a story that seemed to be wildly unrealistic in every detail:
Although virtually every part of his story seemed implausible, even ridiculous, many celebrities and political figures immediately rushed to signal that they believed Smollett. Indeed, the fact that the story was so absurd on its face created an opportunity for status competition. It provided a chance for people to distinguish themselves by demonstrating just how committed they were to trusting purported victims relative to their peers. And so, despite the rather obvious problems with Smollett’s narrative, many immediately rushed to condemn the ostensibly racist and homophobic attack against him, exerted major pressure on the authorities to identify and punish the perpetrators, and viciously targeted those who expressed skepticism about the actor’s claims.
But this general desire to present oneself as weak and helpless, like many aspects of woke culture, is generally shunned by the actual populations the woke seek to uplift. Instead, this struggle to paint oneself as weak and helpless is almost entirely done by people who are privileged, wealthy, and well-off:
For instance, those who are genuinely marginalized and disadvantaged in society are much less likely to perceive or describe themselves as victims of identity-based bias and discrimination than highly educated and relatively affluent liberals. And there’s a reason for that. Although virtually no one wants to be genuinely victimized by others, many status seekers are nonetheless interested in presenting themselves as victims and being perceived as victims—especially in contexts where “victimhood culture” prevails (such as most symbolic capitalist spaces). Some go so far as to reorient their whole identity around having been victimized in order to enjoy the benefits that come with perceived victimization indefinitely. Others find creative ways to capitalize on victimhood they didn’t personally experience at all.
Of course, many of these people are genuinely convinced of the truth of their own victimhood narratives. But there’s a catch – adopting a victimhood mindset leads people to treat others around them worse, to take advantage of them, and to feel justified in doing so:
For instance, research has found that people who understand themselves as victims often demonstrate less concern for the hardships of others; they feel more entitled to selfish behavior; they grow more vicious against rivals—not just against the people who victimized them but against anyone who stands in the way of their goals or aspirations. Yet even as they grow more likely to engage in immoral behaviors—and often victimize others who did them no wrong—they also gain a sense of moral superiority relative to everyone else…
The more frequently they evoke their victimhood, the more ethically dubious behaviors they feel entitled to engage in—confident that they will not be held responsible, morally or practically, for their actions.
But not all potential sources of hardship are treated equally by the woke:
Only certain types of victimization tend to be honored in a victimhood culture. First, in order to reap the benefits associated with being recognized as a victim, one’s victimhood has to be a product of malevolent actions by others. That is, one cannot merely be a victim of circumstances – there must be someone who can be blamed (and, ideally, punished) for one’s victimized status. Second, one’s victimization should appear to be a result of factors outside of one’s control.
This makes poverty only conditionally a source of victimhood, because poverty is often thought of as something ones actions can at least influence to some degree. Thus, “The most compelling forms of victimhood are tied to immutable elements of a person’s being rather than changeable aspects of their present circumstances.” This also creates an incentive for people to describe the sources of hardship they face as insurmountable – something in the face of which they are utterly powerless:
Women, racial and ethnic minorities, sexual minorities, those with disabilities, trauma survivors, certain persecuted religious minorities—these are identities that are especially respected in symbolic capitalists’ victimhood culture. Being poor, or coming from poverty, can enhance one’s moral standing if one also bears some other marginalized identity. However, there is very little sympathy for impoverished “cishet” whites. Indeed, they are often viewed as being not just responsible for their own suffering but deserving of it—and their struggles, frustrations, and concerns are widely mocked or dismissed.
This remains true despite the fact that white Americans are not the most successful racial or ethnic group in America, or even at the upper end. Most outcomes for whites tend to be about average overall for racial groups, and whites tend to do worse on most measures than Americans of Asian, Middle Eastern, or Indian descent, and even compared to Black Americans of Caribbean descent or African immigrants (as distinct from native born Black Americans).
But people who fail to have the proper characteristics of victimhood can still try to find a way to get in on the action:
For elites who cannot directly claim affiliation with the “right” kind of stigmatized identity, engaging in the culture wars often allows them to experience something like “victimhood by proxy”: progressive whites are keen to broadcast their status as “allies” and tell stories about how their unyielding commitments to social justice put them at odds with “other” whites. Insofar as they manage to alienate themselves from white peers (or even family members) on the basis of social justice advocacy, they often portray themselves as being “in the same boat” as minorities. For instance, receiving pushback from whites for their approach to antiracism allows them to paint themselves as fellow victims of racism. Constantly “struggling” with (other) whites about racial issues makes them feel like they understand the experience of being a minority. People are often strikingly explicit in making associations like these.
Wealthy symbolic capitalists find other ways to try to claim victimhood identities to gain cultural capital. For example, al-Gharbi points out that while symbolic capitalists are objectively the “most physically fit and cognitively sophisticated people in America,” they are also vastly disproportionally more likely to identify themselves as suffering from physical or mental impairments.
Even the ability to make use of a possible victimhood identity is itself an activity that favors wealthy and privileged elites rather than genuinely vulnerable people:
One irony, as sociologist Lauren Rivera noted in her landmark study of hiring at elite firms, is that the people best positioned to spin compelling narratives of this nature tend to be those who hail from relatively advantaged backgrounds. People who were or are genuinely underprivileged, abused, or stigmatized often try to conceal these facts rather than broadcast them. And even to the extent that they are aware that it would be advantageous to spin a story about their social mobility, and are willing to do so (often, they think it would be harmful or shameful to talk about what they’ve been through), people from genuinely disadvantaged backgrounds are generally less effective at producing the kinds of accounts that resonate with elites, as compared with people from more advantaged backgrounds.
All of these elements of victimhood culture create another form of symbolic capital beyond the political, academic, and cultural capital discussed previously – something al-Gharbi calls totemic capital. We will look at what this is and how elites seek to cultivate it in the next post.
READER COMMENTS
steve
Aug 20 2025 at 3:35pm
First, victimhood has become common among many groups. Many, if not all, Trump supporters believe that they are victims while still being better off than the groups they believe are victimizing them. Second, outcomes now may be about average for white people but that is not been the historical norm and white people remain the largest group. I think if you sum up all of the groups you mention they would make up less than 10% of the US.
I also question the idea that people being willing to talk openly about mental health issues as being about victimhood. I am sure it may be true for some but for a lot fo people it’s just that they no longer feel the need to hide all of their issues. Certainly a lot of people do it so that others can feel more comfortable asking for help when needed. My real life experience, and I worked in medicine, has been that while people are more open talking about mental health issues they still largely avoid it.
Last of all, he tells stories, the kind that I think I have read in the newspaper somewhere, but stuff I have never seen or heard of in real life. Does he present data on how many people eg are separating from family because they are social justice advocates and think they are in the same boat as minorities? If he does, how long does it persist. Heaven knows college kids go through weird stages as they separate from their parents but many/most change. I still remember the day when my daughter was about 30 and told me one day that she decided that I was mostly right about everything i had told her and she was wrong.
Steve
Kevin Corcoran
Aug 21 2025 at 12:11pm
There’s a lot in your comment that seems to be pretty confused. For example, you ask:
But there is nothing in this post about family separation being caused by social justice activism. It seems odd to ask if the author is presenting data about a claim that was literally never made. You also say
Yet nothing in the post suggests that being willing to talk openly about mental health issues, by itself, is about victimhood. Further, you say
True, but it’s not clear what you’re getting at. As has been made clear numerous times in multiple posts in this series, the people al-Gharbi are describing are primarily not college students. The largest segment of the people he’s talking about are established, wealthy mid-career and middle aged professionals. College age students are a very minor and peripheral part of his analysis. Yet more than once you’ve commented about how the stuff al-Gharbi is describing isn’t that big a deal because college students being a bit silly about political causes is just a normal thing, despite the fact that the phenomenon al-Gharbi describes is explicitly not focused on college students. Often it seems like you are so eager to disagree with what (you think) the conclusion of an argument will be, that you don’t pay much attention to what the actual argument is, and will just drop in hand-wavey comments like these that don’t make any contact with the actual substance of an argument.
You also say:
It’s true now, and has been true for the some decades now – it’s not exactly a new and exciting development. And those groups I mentioned are far from an exhaustive list – I was just breezing through a few examples. For what it’s worth, while al-Gharbi doesn’t dig too deeply into those weeds in his own book, the economist Mark Perry has done much more detailed breakdowns. Last time I checked, by median household income, white American households were the 16th highest overall. But even then, it’s not clear why relative population size matters? We’re not talking about totals, we’re talking about median outcomes. Suppose there are two groups that made up the same small percentage of the overall population – one does somewhat better than the median, one does somewhat worse. Meanwhile, two other groups made up the same large percentage of the overall population, with one somewhat above and the other somewhat below the median. What, exactly, would be the significance of their population sizes of these groups regarding their relative outcomes? Why should be inferred from the fact that, say, Syrian Americans, though a relatively small percentage of the US population, do somewhat better than white Americans, but Egyptian Americans, also a small percentage, do somewhat worse than white Americans? If a group does unusually well while also being a tiny minority of the population, does that make the outcome more meaningful? Less? If a group is a small minority and also does unusually poorly, does their small population size make the result more or less meaningful? Why? If the success of some minority groups can be dismissed because they’re, well, a minority of the population, why can’t the relative lack of success of other minority groups be equally dismissed on the same basis?
steve
Aug 21 2025 at 1:19pm
“Insofar as they manage to alienate themselves from white peers (or even family members) on the basis of social justice advocacy, they often portray themselves as being “in the same boat” as minorities. ”
Steve
Kevin Corcoran
Aug 21 2025 at 2:04pm
Feeling alienated from one’s peers and family is a distinct claim from separating oneself from peers and family. To alienate is defined as “to make unfriendly, hostile, or indifferent especially where attachment formerly existed.” Hence why al-Gharbi says such people talk about being put “at odds” with others and not as separating from them. As I’m sure you’re aware, those are very different things. You can’t “receive pushback” or “struggle with” people unless you are also in contact and interacting with them. So, I’m still not sure what you’re getting at?
steve
Aug 21 2025 at 9:15pm
Wow! So alienated people hang out and are buddy-buddy? You are trying too hard here. If you are alienated from your family you will either be separated or close enough to make no distinction. But let’s go with your odd definition. Did he give you a percentage that are alienated?
I looked for the Perry thing and even though I think I have seen it I dont think that breaking down each racial group into tiny subgroups provides an accurate picture. Start with basic stats.
“In the U.S., the non-Hispanic White population made up about 57.8% of the population in 2020, the Hispanic population was 19% (the second-largest group), the Black population was around 12.1% (non-Hispanic), and the Asian population was approximately 6%.”
More stats. Roughly 9% of black people were born out of the US. So I dont think a small percentage of a minority group very accurately reflects the reality for that minority group. I think the survey by Pew at the link more accurately pictures the US. So what we is that Asians making about 6%-7% of the population have a median wealth of about $320,000, whites $250,000, blacks $27,000 and hispanics about $49,000. (Yup, I am using wealth. Mostly because I had it tucked at the top in my folder but I also think wealth more accurately reflects longer term effects on human capital.)
https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/12/04/wealth-gaps-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups/
Steve
Kevin Corcoran
Aug 22 2025 at 10:08am
Again, you aren’t reading what I actually said very carefully. (Also, what you call my “rather odd definition” was, in fact, simply me quoting the dictionary definition of the term, so if my definition is odd I’m in at least somewhat good company there.) I did not say that being alienated means you are simultaneously buddy-buddy with someone. That should have been apparent from the fact that at the same time I also pointed out that it involves an ongoing process receiving pushback from and struggling with or being at odds with such people – meaning that the people involved are both in contact (otherwise such pushback and struggle couldn’t occur) but at the same time not buddy-buddy (hence the feelings of alienation and unfriendly feelings). I have no earthly idea how you could have read what I actually wrote and come out with the conclusion that I was saying people claim to be “buddy-buddy” with those from whom they feel alienated, other than you going out of your way to deliberately misunderstand me.
john hare
Aug 21 2025 at 6:33pm
16th?? I’m confused on how many groups are under discussion here? Syrian Americans-Egyptian Americans, plus how many more? I tend to think with a wider grouping most likely. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, and a very few more.
I don’t dispute the claim, just wondering how fine grained the thinking is here. 16th out of 20 being far different than 16th out of 500.
Kevin Corcoran
Aug 22 2025 at 10:57am
Offhand, I only have a partial screenshot of a version of the chart Perry put out in 2019, not the full list. but the 15 groups above whites in household income were, in order, Indian, Taiwanese, Filipino, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Iranian, Chinese, Lebanese, Japanese, Turkish, Indonesian, Guyanese, Korean, Syrian, Hmong, Thai, Vietnamese, Palestinian, and Laotian Americans respectively.
However, the more interesting take is whether it’s better to view things in terms of relatively broad groups (Asians as a single lump, rather than distinguishing those who are Chinese from Japanese etc) or being more granular with the approach. I think the more granular approach is actually the better option. A much more comprehensive collection of more granular data can be found in figure 1 of this post. It shows both broad groups and granular breakdowns – so all the data points for “Asians” are shown with red dots, but each red dot is also labeled for more specific ancestry, “European” (aka white) is shown in blue dots, but broken down by specific ancestry, etc. And what you can see is there is a lot of variation within those very broad groups. And that’s because, for example, “Asia” is a rather big place [citation needed] and included populations with wildly different histories, cultures, and backgrounds. Africa, too, is a pretty big place [citation needed] and it also had a wide range of distinct populations with equally distinct backgrounds, histories, and internal cultures.
Blobbing all of them together into a single homogenous group will, on balance, do far more to distort than enhance how we understand the impact of “being of African decent” etc, because “being of African/Asian/European decent” doesn’t have a clear referent. It could mean many wildly different things. But breaking things down into more granular groups actually allows us to control for the impact of race specifically with other things that are also of great significance. As Thomas Sowell put it, “Blacks may ‘all look alike’ to racists, but there are profound internal cultural differences among blacks.” Looking at the data points in the graph linked above, it seems as though Thai Americans are about as far above average in income as Bengali Americans are below average. I doubt that this is because people with a racial grudge against Asians actually have a soft spot for Thais but a special dislike for Bengalis. (Does the average anti-Asian racist even know the difference between these groups?) So whatever explains the difference in the outcomes between these two groups, anti-Asian racism isn’t it.
Another interesting point is that the variance within groups is often much larger than the variance between groups. Surprisingly (at least to me), among those of European ancestry with the worst outcomes are those of English decent. And as Goldberg points out within his post, the gap between the worst performing European groups and the best performing European groups is nearly twice as big as the gap between the blobbed “European” and “African” groups:
All of which is a long-winded way to say that yeah, I think just limiting one’s vision to overly broad groups like “Africans” or “Asians” as though the populations making up that group were an interchangeable and homogenous mass is a pretty poor way to look at the world.
steve
Aug 22 2025 at 1:24pm
We are probably going to just disagree, mostly. I think there are times when it is beneficial to break things down into those smaller groups, but I think that historically the way people have been treated, formally and informally, has been based much more upon their membership in the broader group. In this particular case one group is much, much larger than any other groups and we see that membership in that larger group means that you are nearly a magnitude better off than the other larger minority groups and 20%-30% worse off than the last, smaller minority group.
BTW, did he give stats for how many people are alienated, however you want to define it?
Steve
Kevin Corcoran
Aug 22 2025 at 2:10pm
Right, but that’s exactly why it’s helpful to break things out. How Thai Americans and Bengali Americans have been treated has likely, as you say, “been based much more upon their membership in the broader group,” (Asian in this case) yet despite being treated in this same way (because of the same broad group membership) they have very different outcomes. This makes it difficult to say that how they are treated, formally or informally, by their broad group membership holds much explanatory power. Does being treated according to the broad group of “Asian” have beneficial effects for people who are Thai, but deleterious effects for people who are Bengali? Why would that be?
By your numbers then, are you of the opinion that Asians are treated formally and informally better than white Americans, historically and currently, and that the economic systems etc in American unfairly favor Asians over whites? That seems unlikely to me. And that, again, is why breaking down more specifically can be helpful. To quote from one of the key points in the above link, regarding income:
And the same is true for measures of broader socioeconomic status:
Regarding:
This question is still missing a key point from the post (and it retrospect it seems obvious to me I should have begun with this), but if you re-read what I wrote above, he’s not making claims about people being genuinely alienated from friends and family. What he’s doing is talking about people seek to “portray themselves” and “paint themselves” as being victimized by racism in any way they can, and as such many people try to portray themselves as victims because they paint themselves as suffering pushback on account of their antiracist activism. Whether or to what degree their claims of the hardship they are enduring are even true isn’t really the focus here. The point is about the social dynamics at play.
When there is a culture that tells people that being victimized is a means to raise their social status, it becomes beneficial for people to find ways to portray themselves as victims, and this creates incentives for people to try to find ways to, as I put it, “get in on the action.” And one way that activists do that is by broadcasting how much they have “suffered” on account of their struggle for justice – they’re victims here too!! But the claims of victimization themselves don’t even have to be true – in fact, they very frequently turn out not to be true. And that shouldn’t be surprising! When victim status becomes a valuable currency, we should expect to see there will be a lot of counterfeit currency in circulation – particularly since the currency is easy to counterfeit, because, as al-Gharbi describes elsewhere, even inspecting currency to see if it’s counterfeit is taboo, because of “the insistence on accepting identity claims uncritically and nonjudgmentally, the taboo against doubting (let alone demanding evidence for) victimization claims, the more general tendency to place subjective interpretations and experience largely above scrutiny.”
nobody.really
Aug 22 2025 at 3:04pm
“’Space’ [as explained in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,] ‘is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space. Listen, ….’ And so on.
…. After a while the style settles down a bit and it starts telling you things you really need to know….”
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, 1985 radio scripts (2012)
nobody.really
Aug 22 2025 at 3:45pm
“A study of new diagnoses of kidney cancer in the 3,141 counties of the United States reveals a remarkable pattern. The counties in which the incidence of kidney cancer is lowest are mostly rural, sparsely populated, and located in traditionally Republican states…. What do you make of this?
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Now consider the counties in which the incidence of kidney cancer is the highest. These ailing counties tend to be the most rural, sparsely populated, and located in traditionally Republican states….
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The key factor is not that the counties were rural or predominantly Republican. It is that rural counties have small populations [and small populations have a greater tendency to be outliers, simply by chance.]”
Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow (2011), Ch. 10, “The Law of Small Numbers”
If some population groups are vastly smaller than others, perhaps those smaller groups will be more likely to be outliers, simply by chance.
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