
Matt Yglesias points out that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is covered more intensively than similar crises in other parts of the world. Here he responds to a question:
The Bad Blog: What other problems do you think are like Israel/Palestine in that they should be covered less because they are simply very intractable?
To be clear, it’s not the intractability per se of Israel/Palestine that means it should be covered less. My issue is the actual scale. There are more displaced refugees in eastern Congo than the entire population of the West Bank and Gaza combined. But it’s not just that Israel gets more coverage than Congo (there are certainly valid reasons for that), it gets more than 1,000 times as much coverage. And that’s true in both directions: the deaths of Israelis get dramatically more coverage than similar death tolls would elsewhere and so do the deaths of Palestinians.
Tractability is the next phase of the analysis. Is all this attention-paying helping? That would be a good reason to pay attention to something. But it pretty clearly isn’t.
I find it useful to view this question through the perspective of Arnold Kling’s brilliant three languages of politics. Here’s a quick bullet point summary of Kling’s ideas:
– Progressives will communicate along the oppressor-oppressed axis. “My heroes are people who have stood up for the underpriviliged. The people I cannot stand are the people who are indifferent to the oppression of women, minorities and the poor”
– A conservative will communicate along the civilization-barbarism axis. “My heroes are people who have stood up for Western values. The people I cannot stand are the people who are indifferent to the assault on moral virtues and traditions that are the foundation for our civilization”
– A libertarian will communicate along the liberty coercion axis. “My heroes are the people who have stood up for individual rights. The people I cannot stand are the people who are indifferent to the government taking away people’s ability to make their own decision”
The most passionate debate over the recent Israel-Palestine fight is centered on the conservative and progressive views. I’ll call the progressive view “leftist”. Conservatives see the conflict as civilized Israel under siege from barbaric Palestinians. Leftists see the conflict as powerful Israel oppressing weak Palestinians. In the end, I’ll suggest a fourth language, and provide an example.
Let’s begin by thinking about views that conservatives and leftists share. They both view Israelis as in some sense being superior to Palestinians. Conservatives believe Israeli culture is superior in a wide range of dimensions; moral, political, religious, economic, etc. Leftists also see Israel as superior, but in a narrower sense. They see Israel as powerful and highly educated, and hold it to higher moral standards than other states that are oppressing minorities (Myanmar, Sudan, Ethiopia, Yemen, Azerbaijan, Congo, etc.) Leftists typically don’t speak out when minority groups are oppressed in other Middle Eastern countries.
Here it helps to recognize that both conservatives and leftists are obsessed with identity politics. Thus the instinctive support than many conservatives have for Israel is closely related to their instinctive hostility to immigration from poorly functioning countries. And the instinctive support that leftists have for Palestinians is related to their instinctive support for low-income minorities in Western countries.
You might argue that I’ve oversimplified the situation, and you’d be correct. I am only describing one aspect of the recent debate, although I’ll argue that it’s an increasingly dominant aspect.
To be sure, there’s a history to these issues that in some respects cuts in the other direction. The Holocaust is a dark cloud that looms over the Western imagination, especially among people of a certain generation. Throughout much of history, anti-Semitism was associated with the political right. Thus there are still lots of left-of-center people who recall how Jews were victimized and sympathize with Israel, and there are some right-of-center people with anti-Israel feelings motivated by anti-Semitism. But it’s clear that things are evolving in the direction that Kling outlined above. The dispute is increasingly framed as either civilization/barbarism or oppressor/oppressed.
Here’s one way to see why it’s evolving in this direction. For centuries, Western European Jews were attempting to live with gentiles in cosmopolitan societies like Germany and Austria. They were willing to do so without substantial political power. But the gentiles would not allow them to live in peace, repeatedly persecuting Jews. After the Holocaust, it’s not surprising that Jews would want their own state, i.e. become “nationalist”. But centuries of anti-Semitism were linked to the notion that Jews were too cosmopolitan, an awkward fit for the increasingly nationalistic politics in Europe during the early 20th century. For this reason, the interests of today’s Jews doesn’t neatly code as either left wing or right wing. But it’s clearly trending right, as younger generations see a (nationalistic) Jewish state that’s now 75-years old, and have only distant memories of when Jews were primarily an oppressed minority group that favored cosmopolitan diversity over nationalism.
In my view, there are actually 4 languages of politics—two identity driven ideologies (conservative/leftist) and two universal political ideologies (deontological libertarians and utilitarians). The utilitarians are missing from Kling’s framing. They evaluate issues on a cost-benefit basis, valuing each human being equally. (Deontological libertarians also view each person as having equal worth, but view issues from a liberty/coercion perspective.)
Matt Yglesias has several insightful essays that look as the Israeli/Palestinian problem from a dispassionate perspective, not instinctively favoring either group. He’s an excellent example of a utilitarian pundit whose approach doesn’t fit neatly into Kling’s framework. Most utilitarians (including Yglesias) are center-left, although I’m center-right for reasons I’ve explained ad nauseam in other posts. On the Israeli-Palestinian dispute my views are almost identical to those of Yglesias (and if we disagree on any point, he’s probably right and I’m probably wrong.) Here are his essays:
https://www.slowboring.com/p/palestinian-right-of-return-matters
https://www.slowboring.com/p/israels-two-wars
[To be clear, I’m not saying that rational unbiased people must agree with Yglesias; many may sincerely hold alternative views. I’m saying that most of the passionate debate that you see today is among people that are not unbiased.]
If this post seems too cold and clinical, let me assure the reader that I’m human too. At a visceral level, the deaths in this conflict sadden me more than an equal number of deaths in Myanmar. I get why people think it’s important. But I also believe it is important to challenge our biases. One reason we care more about this conflict is because the media gives us heartbreaking stories of individual families that are affected, something they don’t typical do for other conflicts such as Myanmar. Which leads me (finally) to the point I’ve been trying to make from the beginning:
The reason we find this dispute to be so compelling is the same reason the dispute exists in the first place.
I don’t mean that the press coverage causes the dispute; I mean that we find the dispute compelling because of perceptions (on both the left and the right) that Israelis are very different from Palestinians—and should be treated differently. And that perception of important differences, linked to differences in how we value people, is also why these groups have trouble coexisting. We don’t perceive German and French-speaking Swiss people as being all that different, and thus it’s not surprising that German and French-speaking Swiss people have little trouble co-existing in a single country.
I believe the right is wrong about immigration. But the right is correct that the left wing model of immigration is flawed. Bringing in low SES immigrants and then creating separate enclaves via identity politics and a welfare state is a recipe for disaster. Places like the US, Canada and Australia have mostly avoided that problem (there’s lots of intermarriage), but immigration can create problems if not done right (see France). Various ethnic groups do have important differences.
PS. Both conservatives and leftists will cite other reasons for caring more about this dispute than about other ethnic conflicts. Don’t believe them. We don’t care so much because Israel is in an important part of the world, or because Israel gets US foreign aid, or any of the other phony excuses often cited. Arnold Kling’s framework explains it.
PPS. Slightly off topic, but I also associate myself Matt Yglesias’s recent comments on the implications of this debate for free speech:
Most university campuses did not greet the initial Hamas attack on Israeli civilians with the kind of ponderous “statement” that schools have been issuing more and more of in response to noteworthy world events. That prompted backlash from many Jewish alumni who felt a pogrom in southern Israel deserved the full George Floyd treatment. Of course, the reason universities didn’t want to do that is there is a lot of political disagreement about the larger context of the conflict. But — and here’s the point — there’s actually lots of political disagreement about police misconduct and racism and all this other stuff, too.
The actual difference is that universities were comfortable taking the progressive side of contested political issues and that was inappropriate.
Or to Petrzela’s point, many university offices have been somewhat careless in tossing around the concept of harm or metaphorical violence and that was inappropriate.
But the part where the prior conduct was inappropriate is very important. Successfully browbeating universities into issuing statements about how Hamas is bad is a Pyrrhic victory, as is getting them to clamp down on pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Each new inappropriate politicization of the university sets a new baseline and creates a new bad precedent that can be used to further politicize things and further narrow the range of debate. It’s not good enough to say “well, they did it first.”¹ That rapidly becomes a situation where an eye for an eye leaves us all blind.
The right thing to do is to use this moment when people are mad and university administrators are vulnerable to pressure institutions to adopt the Chicago Principles on free speech and academic freedom or something very similar.
READER COMMENTS
Ahmed Fares
Nov 12 2023 at 9:14pm
As regards the Palestinians, it’s important to understand the difference between barbarism and a contrived barbarism. The latter is an affectation and is commanded by the Qur’an.
So if you, [O Muhammad], gain dominance over them in war, disperse by [means of] them those behind them that perhaps they will be reminded. —Qur’an 8:57
To disperse some by means of others is the idea of “kill one, frighten ten thousand”. It achieves an objective with far less total suffering. Doug Casey mentioned that recently in an article of his:
Scott Sumner
Nov 12 2023 at 10:24pm
To be clear, Kling’s framework is referring to perceptions by various ideologies when he uses terms like “barbarism”.
Mactoul
Nov 12 2023 at 11:30pm
Not surprising for a nationalist, but entirely inexplicable for libertarians who lack a notion of own state.
Also, I would take issue with the statement that
There was no Left or Right in most of the history. There were clashes of various nations and peoples and rise and fall of religions but political ideologies are a modern phenomena.
Scott Sumner
Nov 13 2023 at 9:11am
OK, for most of modern history.
JoeF
Nov 13 2023 at 9:55am
But capitalism is not a modern concept. And the places where capitalism has thrived (throughout history) also contain the least anti-Semitism, which does not seem surprising. Is capitalism identified as right-wing or left-wing?
Scott Sumner
Nov 14 2023 at 12:10am
“Is capitalism identified as right-wing or left-wing?”
In the past, neither. Today, right wing.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Nov 15 2023 at 10:35pm
??? Center Left to Mid Right. Hard Right is very anti-Capitalist, too.
David Seltzer
Nov 13 2023 at 6:08pm
“There was no Left or Right in most of the history. There were clashes of various nations and peoples and rise and fall of religions but political ideologies are a modern phenomena.” There were, however, ghettos, inquisitions, pogroms, diaspora and The Holocaust perpetrated by monarchs, czars, tyrants, despots and others with immense power. The duality of individuals… my hypothesis… is found in every political philosophy.
Mactoul
Nov 13 2023 at 2:30am
There are other languages of politics as well, perhaps too commonplace for theorizing. Carl Schmitt held friend/enemy distinction as fundamental to politics. This is instinctive even to small children. Failure of appreciate this is virtually a hallmark of liberal societies and which has led directly to multiple fiascos.
For instance, Churchill opposed German appeasement from a basic sense of friend/enemy distinction. That Britain must not support Germany at cost of her allies. But liberals, guild-addled over Versailles injustices were eager to correct the injustice even at cost of present friends.
Arnold Kling’s three languages don’t fit very well here. In particular, the libertarian language is irrelevant. Indeed, it is not easy to see where the libertarian language applies.
Similar to friend/enemy distinction is neighbor/stranger distinction. This has application to immigration.
Scott Sumner
Nov 13 2023 at 9:14am
“Failure of appreciate this is virtually a hallmark of liberal societies and which has led directly to multiple fiascos.”
I’d say that orders of magnitude more fiascos have come from accepting the friend/enemy framing. Recall WWI?
Jon Murphy
Nov 13 2023 at 1:20pm
Or WW2, where the Germans explicitly adopted Schmitt’s distinction…
Mactoul
Nov 14 2023 at 1:57am
Is it so worse than bombing a country for humanitarian reasons?
Jon Murphy
Nov 14 2023 at 8:53am
Yeah. I mean, by death count alone it certainly is worse.
Mark Z
Nov 13 2023 at 5:03pm
“For instance, Churchill opposed German appeasement from a basic sense of friend/enemy distinction.”
No, he didn’t. He opposed it because he believed that particular regime was unappeasable. I don’t know about Churchill in particular, but most sensible people in Britain and the US at least favored ‘appeasing the Germans’ during the mid/late 20s under the Stresemann governments after the Locarno treaty; it was the closest Europe got to lasting peace. In contrast, the Poincare government in France in the early 20s took the ‘friend/enemy’ approach you cherish so much in dealing the Weimar Republic. It turned out to be a significant reason why WW2 would end up happening.
Arc
Nov 13 2023 at 5:08am
I just had the realization that in a few years, the Israeli Declaration of Independence will be closer to the 1871 unification of Germany than to today.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Nov 13 2023 at 8:08am
I dispute that IS the left wing “model.” That is the OUTCOME of not having an efficient border visas overstay control process with active recruitment of high -income potential immigrants.
I’d also point out that in a single river to the sea state, Jews and Liberals WOULD be persecuted minorities. Much as I like Kaplan’s model or Haidt’s they depend on pretty arbitrary framing of the issues.
tpeach
Nov 13 2023 at 8:55am
It’s naive to think that in this world there’s always a choice between justice and injustice, instead of a choice between two injustices.
Counterfactuals matter.
steve
Nov 13 2023 at 1:33pm
I think you have offered a simplistic model that probably has some relevance for people who are broadly uninformed or uninterested in the topic. It’s probably a stronger representation for people concentrating on the current events and taking them out of historical context. A more nuanced, conceding that nuance is almost never appreciated, look would note that for the left, the large majority would agree that Hamas are terrorists, evil and should be killed. Then add in the parts about feeling sorry for Palestinians. On the right it should be added that they have long held suspicions and dislikes towards foreigners of different faiths especially Muslims. (The weird apocalyptic beliefs of the right wing base wake Jews acceptable now. My father was very involved in the John Birch Society so I am very aware of the antisemitic history on the right.)
That said, I think you may be correct that your approach may be more relevant with time. Our politics has become tribal. Tribalism doesnt really allow for nuance and complexity, and the history and politics of that area of the world is incredibly complex. So it will probably be reduced to some tribal minimalist stuff that can be used as talking points and fit on signs.
Thanks for adding the free speech part. I think he gets almost all of it right. In particular glad to see him address one of my peeves which is claiming that even though somebody said something wha they really meant was something else. That is used to shut down speech. Its really irritating because you could always just ask them what they mean, but that never happens.
Steve
Carl
Nov 13 2023 at 1:41pm
What axis are you on if you believe individual liberty is a foundation of our civilization?
Scott Sumner
Nov 14 2023 at 12:13am
“A libertarian will communicate along the liberty coercion axis. “
Carl
Nov 14 2023 at 5:21pm
Thanks. I wonder if Kling is missing a sacred/profane axis? From the perspective of people like Alexander Dugin and the Mullahs in Iran the struggle is between their sacred cultures (Orthodox Christian on the one hand and Islam on the other) and our profane Western culture.
Mark Z
Nov 13 2023 at 4:52pm
For the first few decades of the Israel/Palestine conflict (maybe I’m wrong, I wasn’t old enough, just going on what I’ve read/heard), it wasn’t nearly as salient in American discourse, nor as partisan. Israel was founded by largely secular Jews with socialist sympathies and an ambivalent or even Soviet-leaning disposition in the early Cold War. I doubt it’s a coincidence that as Israel became increasingly religious, less socialist, and more aligned with the West (while corresponding Arab nationalists became more socialist and aligned with the USSR), Americans – especially conservative ones – gradually viewed Israel more and more sympathetically.
Most other conflicts just don’t fit as neatly into liberal/conservative boxes as this one. E.g., Armenia vs. Azerbaijan is Christians vs. Muslims, but also vicariously Russians (on the Armenian side) vs. Turks. Most African conflicts also don’t translate as well to our political divides. Israel/Palestine also has the ‘advantage’ of being something everyone is familiar with. It’s been going on for 75 years, it flares up and makes the news every few years with impressive regularity, so it’s a good topic for Americans to fight about, no one feels left out.
Scott Sumner
Nov 14 2023 at 12:15am
But why are we interested?
Rajat
Nov 14 2023 at 6:33am
I don’t disagree with any of this post, but one variable that it may be missing relevant to the latest round of violence is the ‘aesthetic’, if you like, or ‘moral’ element of the conflict. The sheer cruelty of the 7 October attacks may have shocked some people (like me) out of our usual slumberous indifference to events in the Middle East. There is something impersonal about rockets or bombs going off, even though they kill and maim hundreds and thousands of civilians. One can tell oneself that they are an unfortunate and possibly unavoidable by-product of achieving an understandable end. But setting grandparents alight and beheading children still shocks through its similarity to the horrors perpetrated by groups like IS – behaviour that belongs in pre-modern times. It seems hard to defend or understand that type of conduct. Am I getting caught up in the civilisation-barbarism axis?
Scott Sumner
Nov 14 2023 at 3:01pm
“Am I getting caught up in the civilisation-barbarism axis?”
I feel the same way at a visceral level. But why don’t we pay attention when the same sort of atrocities occur in other countries, where both sides are “backward” cultures? Indeed, why doesn’t our press even report those atrocities?
So I think it is the perception of a clash between barbarism and civilization that makes us especially interested.
Rajat
Nov 14 2023 at 4:42pm
Possibly most people don’t pay attention when the same sort of atrocities occur in other countries, and that’s why the media doesn’t report on them to the same degree. But when it is reported, I don’t think I am less shocked. I remember reading the Economist in 1994 when it reported on the massacres in Rwanda. As a relatively innocent young person, that type of butchery was completely foreign to me and did elicit visceral feelings against the Hutus. I think what makes it more interesting here is that Israel has long been strong enough to completely subdue Hamas, but has refrained from doing so, probably in part due to implicit pressure from the US. Whereas in most faraway countries, wars are typically fought out with no holds barred. This time Israel is not exercising as much constraint, and that is what seems to be polarising.
Scott Sumner
Nov 15 2023 at 2:01pm
“I think what makes it more interesting here is that Israel has long been strong enough to completely subdue Hamas”
According to numerous press reports, the Israeli government has been quietly favoring Hamas, as they wished to discredit the somewhat more plausible opposition on the West Bank. Perhaps someone can tell me if those reports are false.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-hamas-attack-failure/675722/
I think Yglesias has it right. The “restraint” is needed more on the West Bank than Gaza.
This is a really complicated problem. But in terms of atrocities, things like the Hamas attack are unfortunately all too common all over the world—especially Africa and South Asia. It’s happening right now in Sudan at a vastly larger scale.
Rajat
Nov 14 2023 at 4:46pm
In other words, I think I agree this seems to be a clash between civilisation and barbarism – one side has previously exercised greater restraint, and has now been provoked to the point when it has chosen to exercise less restraint. Every country (especially the US) and person with power needs to exercise some restraint. How much restraint in what circumstances is perhaps the question that we find so compelling.
David Henderson
Nov 15 2023 at 10:45am
There doesn’t seem to be clear evidence that children were beheaded. Murdered, yes, which is awful enough. But if it’s important to claim that children were beheaded, it’s equally important to reject that claim if it’s false or not make the claim if there isn’t evidence.
See https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
Mm
Nov 15 2023 at 12:15pm
Nitpicking-So you find it important that at this point we only have proof of raped women being beheaded? And proof of women being raped after their breasts were cut off? Does that, for you, fall within the civilized realm of the civilization vs barbarism conflict, thereby obviating any problem?
David Henderson
Nov 15 2023 at 5:28pm
Please don’t put words in my mouth. I said it very clearly. Rajat believed that babies were beheaded. I pointed out that we don’t have strong evidence of that. As I said, if it’s important to point it out if it’s true, it’s equally important to point out that we don’t have evidence when we don’t have evidence.
Of course the things that they did were barbaric. I don’t know how you could read anything else into my comment. But I guess where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Mm
Nov 16 2023 at 7:58am
So 2 cheers for Hamas, since we aren’t sure they behead babies? Come on man, they just rape & behead women!