As regular readers of my posts know, I have little patience for long interviews. But I was blown away by this one. It’s the best interview I’ve seen in 2020.

I hadn’t heard of either Boyce or Oliver before, but from now on, whenever I see their names, I’ll pay attention.

I was so enthralled by the first 37 minutes that I forgot to time stamp things. So this time stamping will be rough up until the 38th minute.

In the first 30 minutes or so, Oliver talks about what it was like to grow up as a black kid facing extreme discrimination and racism in America. And not 1940s or 1950s America, but America of the 1990s and early 2000s. In one story he tells how he won over a white racist in school. Really neat story.

38:00: Why the cops suddenly apologized for torturing him. Hint: nepotism.

39:50: Why what’s going on with cops is not systemic racism. Many of them would like to treat everyone badly, but their statistical analysis stops them with certain groups.

41:38: The left’s preemptive strike against expertise and the recent Steven Pinker attack.

46:45: How what the left is doing could lead to an even more virulent and wider spread white nationalism.

57:00: We need arenas for the non-political. (By the way, my own is pickle ball. Political conversations are actively discouraged.)

59:00: Oliver makes a fantastic point about the failure of Communism.

1:03:40: Being in a cult isn’t fun.

1:14:50: We need to be ruthless against bad ideas but not against the people who hold them.

HT2 Bob Murphy.