Vice President JD Vance, a Catholic, met Pope Francis on April 20, the day before the latter’s death. The meeting with the enfeebled pope was brief and did not touch upon their disagreement about the treatment of immigrants. Early this year, Francis had declared that the mass deportation plan “damages the dignity of many men and women” (“JD Vance Was Among Last to Meet Pope Francis,” Wall Street Journal, April 21, 2025). I think it is difficult not to share the late pope’s concern on this point, but the larger picture is more interesting.
While the pope is known as a man of the left advocating “social justice,” JD Vance supports “the right” wherever he sees it. It is not immediately obvious how these two individuals can belong to the same Church. Is that an irreconcilable disagreement? Casuistry could no doubt pull a few rabbits from the pope’s tiara or the vice-president’s MAGA cap. Moreover, and interestingly, the two protagonists could reconcile their differences by invoking what they both disagree with in classical liberal political economy—if only they knew anything about that.
As classical liberal (and libertarian) theorists have explained, the concept of social justice makes unambiguous sense only in an authoritarian social system where the political rulers assign rewards and punishments to individuals in society. In a spontaneous order, no authority can do that: rewards and punishments are determined according to largely impersonal factors such as who better satisfies the demand of unknown persons on extended markets; other impersonal factors, such as luck, accidents, and the laws of physics, also play a role.
To see this, we may consult what I believe are the three major classical liberal or libertarian strands of thought in our time. (1) Friedrich Hayek has offered an argument against social justice similar to what I just described: see his The Mirage of Social Justice, originally the third volume of his Law, Legislation, and Liberty. (2) The anarcho-liberal or anarcho-conservative economist and political philosopher Anthony de Jasay arrives at a similar conclusion, also based on spontaneous rules of conduct (which, in the manner of David Hume, he calls “conventions”) but without the state: see, among his works, Justice and Its Surroundings. (3) James Buchanan and the school of Constitutional Political Economy rehabilitate the state through unanimous consent (that is, individual veto). In this contractarian theory, justice lies in rules that are unanimously accepted and certainly not in a conception of justice imposed by political authority: a summary can be found in Geoffrey Brennan and James Buchanan, The Reason of Rules. (Note that, for Buchanan as for Hayek, being opposed to arbitrary “social justice” does not imply that the state cannot offer some sort of income insurance.)
If that is correct, we can say that both the (late) pope and JD Vance believe in social justice, that is, in political authority assigning rewards and punishments throughout society, although Vance uses other words than “social justice.” The pope believes that political authorities should favor the poor at the expense of the rich all over the world. JD Vance believes that the favored groups should be whoever the holders of political power in America think are deserving—and who are likely the obedient supporters of such rulers. Many of his tirades would have been approved by Francis if he did not add “American” to his favored groups (“JD Vance Proclaims ‘America First’ as Republicans Embrace Economic Populism,” Financial Times, July 18, 2014):
“We are done, ladies and gentlemen, catering to Wall Street. We’ll commit to the working man,” he said. “We’re done importing foreign labour, we are going to fight for American citizens and their good jobs and their good wages.” He added: “We need a leader who is not in the pocket of big business, but answers to the working man, union and non-union alike, a leader who won’t sell out to multinational corporations, but will stand up for American corporations and American industry.”
In Argentina, the pope was known by many as “the Peronist pope,” after Juan Domingo Perón, a populist of the left whose presidency contributed to the Argentine decline. The Financial Times notes (Michael Stott, “Was Francis the First Peronist Pope?” April 23, 2025):
“Perón used to say that the doctrine of Peronism was the social doctrine of the church,” said Ignácio Zuleta, author of a study of Francis entitled The Peronist Pope. Both church and Peronists emphasised social justice and the fight against poverty, while advocating conservative social mores.
Whether Francis-style or à la Vance, “social justice” is an instance of a larger ideology. The two men are both collectivists, that is, they both favor collective and political choices over individual and private choices. They simply favor different collective choices made by different people in metering rewards and punishments over the whole society. It is quite sure that Vance does not disagree with Francis when the latter expressed his opposition to what he ignorantly described as “the neoliberal dogma [which] pursues easy profits as its main goal [and] continues to cause serious damage” (“Les 10 phrases marquantes du pape François : ‘Saint Pierre n’avait pas de compte en banque,’” Le Monde, April 20, 2025).
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The featured image of this post imagines Pope Francis and JD Vance arriving together at the Pearly Gates (the lag being due to a dent in the space-time continuum). Before St. Peter, who assigns the contemplation seats in heaven, the pope is smiling and naïve, while Vance is naïve and angry. After all, they both believe in “social justice,” but their criteria for assigning rewards and punishments differ.
Of course, as there is (by definition) no scarcity in heaven, the reader of this blog should understand that place assignments must be a mere ritual with no practical consequence.

JD Vance and the Pope Meet Again, by ChatGPT and Pierre Lemieux at EconLog
READER COMMENTS
nobody.really
Apr 23 2025 at 3:57pm
Hayek argued (and I suspect Michael Novak agreed) that social justice “does not belong to the category of error but to that of nonsense, like the term ‘a moral stone’.” Law, Legislation and Liberty, Vol. 2 (1982). The term seems like a black box that each person can imagine contains (or excludes) anything they like. Thus, I find it difficult to condemn people who embrace social justice, or to praise people who condemn it, without knowing more about what they mean.
Putting aside the term “social justice,” I find many people advocating apparently collectivist policies designed to help the poor. For example:
Hayek specifically supported a government-provided “comprehensive system of social insurance.” And in The Calculus of Consent (1962), James M. Buchanan and Gordon Tullock state that —
The Bible contains a number of passages about concern for the poor, the widow, and the foreigner—ranging from exhortations to commands.
In his Two Treaties of Government (1689-90), John Locke stated —
In Wealth of Nations (1776), Adam Smith wrote (at Chap VIII)—
Both Smith and Thomas Jefferson advocated progressive taxation; taking it further, Milton Friedman supported a negative income tax.
Hugo Grotius (founder of international law), Locke, and Thomas Jefferson argued that unemployed people should be able to occupy and cultivate undeveloped land for their own benefit.
Frédéric Bastiat and Hayek supported state-provided emergency assistance.
In Theory and History (1957), Ludwig von Mises wrote that “Social utility is the only standard of justice. It is the sole guide of legislation.” In his Constitution of Liberty (1960), Hayek supported a great variety of government actions provided that “the sum of the gains exceed the sum of the losses.”
And for my pièce de résistance, here is Robert Nozick in Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974):
So before I condemn, I want to open the black box: For all I know, “social justice” merely reflects the modicum of awareness of social dynamics, and a modicum of concern for the poor, articulated by the sources above.
Pierre Lemieux
Apr 23 2025 at 11:24pm
Nobody: Impressive compendium you have there! It does illustrate that most classical liberals accepted a sort of Hayekian justification of public assistance to the poor under different restrictions. I did not remember the Nozick quote, which is indeed interesting (what page is it?). But note three important points. First, the justification given by Nozick and that of Buchanan and Tullock are very different from the others as well as from your apparent conclusion. Second, while Mises did not abandon his original not-very-sophisticated utilitarianism, Hayek did. Third, in the case of Buchanan and Tullock, the justification of a formal income insurance, is quite different from all the others: each and every individual wants to purchase income insurance–except the physically strong and potentially violent social misfit, who will get it free as their part of the bargain to live peacefully with others.
nobody.really
Apr 24 2025 at 1:11am
Robert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974) at 231.
Pierre Lemieux
Apr 24 2025 at 11:14am
Nobody: And note the crucial point: In the case of all the classical liberals you quoted, redistribution (“social justice”) is not a matter of justice, but instead of charity, compassion, or (for Nozick) correction of past injustices. In the case of Buchanan, the only meaning of justice lies in what is unanimously agreed on (either by voluntary trade or by political exchange at the constitutional level), not what is decided by political authority. All this explains why Vance and Francis stand on the side opposite to classical liberalism.
Adam Smith argued for tax rates proportional to income (Book V, Chapter II, Part II), not progressive tax rates. He admitted progressive tax rates on land rent as “not very unreasonable.”
Kevin Corcoran
Apr 24 2025 at 12:34pm
Pierre already made mention of this, but never being shy about being somewhat behind the curve, it’s not true to say Adam Smith favored progressive taxation. David Friedman helpfully put together a list of common misrepresentations of Adam Smith’s view, including the idea that he favored progressive taxes. Of this, Friedman notes:
And as for the “not very unreasonable” quote Pierre references, Friedman makes the following point:
nobody.really
Apr 24 2025 at 2:54pm
Fair enough. Here’s the quote with a bit more context:
Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations (1776), Book V, Chapter II, Part II: Of Taxes. So perhaps I should say that Smith proposed a flat tax, but expressed openness to the theory of progressive taxation.
Kevin Corcoran
Apr 24 2025 at 5:22pm
I guess that depends on how one parses another issue – is “being open to the the theory of progressive taxation” the same thing as “willing to accept the downside of a tax being progressive, in the face of other benefits”? It seems to me that those are two somewhat different things – although perhaps I’m just being nitpicky.
nobody.really
Apr 24 2025 at 9:55pm
Perhaps. But to say that Smith was “willing to accept the downside of a tax being progressive, in the face of other benefits” would seem to imply that Smith offered some larger exposition on the benefits of progressive taxation than the passage quoted above. Did Smith do so? If so, please share. As far as I know, Smith’s defense of a flat tax is basically, “It seems fair,” whereas his defense of having the rich pay somewhat more than a flat tax is explicitly “It’s not very unreasonable.”
Then we confront the interpretation of “not [] very unreasonable.” Interpreted literally, it would seem to mean slightly unreasonable. Interpreted as litotes (understatement), it would mean “quite reasonable.” After all, if you were to say that I’m no Einstein, I might interpret it literally and agree, acknowledging that Einstein and I are distinct people. Or I might interpret it figuratively and take offense, recognizing the phrase as a common way to disparge someone’s intelligence. Or I might do both, ‘cuz how often does a guy get the chance to use litotes in a sentence?
(This exposition reminds me of Dr. Science explaining the Coriolis force: “Imagine if, when riding on a carousel, you toss a ball to a friend at the opposite side. You will observe two results: First, as the carousel continues to turn, the ball will seem to curve behind your friend. Second, you’ll get kicked off the carousel….”)
Mactoul
Apr 23 2025 at 9:39pm
Please let us know one politician or statesman who is not a collectivist by your standards. For a political choice is collective choice by definition and the politicians exist to make political choices.
Otherwise let us know what the politicians are supposed to do in the anarcho-libertarian classical liberal utopia.
There is a glaring lacuna at the very heart of anarcho-libertarianism, identified by none less than Milton Friedman himself, that the definition of private property needs collective choice.
Pierre Lemieux
Apr 23 2025 at 11:05pm
Mactoul: Your first two paragraphs would vindicate Anthony de Jasay’s pessimism: once it is accepted that individuals should be subjected to collective choices (de Jasay would say “social choice” here), there is no going back to individual liberty and property. (Tribes may be an exception but, in that case, there is no individual liberty and property to return to.)
As for your last paragraph, I agree that Friedman said that, and perhaps he was right (like many other classical liberals). But then, perhaps Anthony de Jasay was right to argue that the conventions and private property have to be anterior to the state, for then what would the state try to protect (à la Hobbes) or to steal? What is missing in the approach, I would suggest, is (1) a conception of autoregulated social order, and (2) a nonromantic vision of politics. De Jasay has many articles on these topics, in both Justice and Its Surroundings and Against Politics.
Mactoul
Apr 23 2025 at 11:53pm
The territory possessed by a people.
Pierre Lemieux
Apr 24 2025 at 11:21am
Mactoul: What is “the territory possessed by a people”? The addition of private pieces of land? (Then, QED.) Or the territory of “a people” embodied by the king or by the representatives of some (incoherent and rationally ignorant) majority? Who is “a people,” and what does it possess?
Mactoul
Apr 24 2025 at 8:52pm
Territory is prior to private property.
Does the term territory need explanation? Just consider USA territory. It is not formed out of aggregation of private property.
First, the territory was acquired, one way or another, then it was settled and divided up into private plots.
Mactoul
Apr 24 2025 at 8:57pm
Preamble to the American Constitution starts out with We the People.
Jose Pablo
Apr 24 2025 at 1:18am
“Otherwise let us know what the politicians are supposed to do in the anarcho-libertarian classical liberal utopia”
Go extinct. Just like so many other species with no further role in a evolved world
Mactoul
Apr 24 2025 at 8:59pm
So you are really not concerned with American Constitution. Then why care about how Trump or anybody else is violating the Constitution?
Roger McKinney
Apr 24 2025 at 10:43am
Great points! Thank you for recognizing that Vance’s economics has more in common with the left than with the right, classical liberalism. Vance promoted the economic nonsense of National Conservatism. But their policies are very close to fascism minus the racism.
It’s like we’ve returned to prewar Germany where no classical liberals existed and fascists fought Marxists.
David Seltzer
Apr 24 2025 at 2:47pm
Pierre: Nicely reasoned. I see a rather important difference between Pope Francis and VP Vance in terms of embracing social justice. Vance has considerably more coercive political power than the Pope. I suspect when ” The pope believes that political authorities should favor the poor at the expense of the rich all over the world,” his should is more normative than authoritarian.
Thomas L Hutcheson
Apr 24 2025 at 10:41pm
Whether or not “Social Justice” makes any sense or not, and whether or not Messrs. Hayek, Jassay and Buchannan agree, I favor a progressive consumption tax to pay for federal non-social insurance expenditures and a consumption VAT for social insurance and S&L government expenditure.
Craig
Apr 25 2025 at 10:11am
Technically speaking shouldn’t the Pope have excommunicated both Biden and Vance?
Janet Bufton
Apr 25 2025 at 12:13pm
Readers might enjoy a Great Antidote Podcast episode on unjust spontaneous orders, Adam Smith, and F.A. Hayek.