It’s been observed many times that there is a fundamental divide in how people view the idea of fairness, with one side viewing fairness as being process oriented, while the other views fairness as being outcome oriented. In the process view, as long as everyone plays by the same rules, things are fair, and the results will also be fair because they came about as the result of a fair process. In the other view, fairness means having an equal likelihood of success, and if everyone playing by the same rules produces unequal results, then this is an unfair process, and the rules should be altered to produce a fair outcome.
In the process view, a boxing match between me and the current world champion where both fighters observed all the rules and were officiated by an unbiased referee, would be a fair fight despite the fact that it would almost certainly end in a first-round knockout. (Fortunately for the champ, I’m content with my current arrangements so his title is safe.) On the outcome view, since both fighters don’t enter the ring with the same likelihood of success, it’s not a fair fight. At the limit, on the outcome view, a fair system would be one that advantages some fighters and handicaps others to the point where every fight always goes the distance and ends in a draw.

More recently, this general divide has shifted into discussions about “equality” and “equity.” As this description advocating the equity approach puts it, “Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.” Here we see a similar divide in thinking – one side thinks that as long as the process is fair, so are the outcomes, while the other thinks that if the outcomes are unfair (according to how closely it matches pre-selected results), so is the process.
I lean much more in favor of the process side of this debate than the outcome side. Part of that is practical. The fundamental idea of the outcomes side is that “we” (read: political elites) should decide in advance what the outcomes are “supposed” to be, and “we” (political elites, again) have both the knowledge and ability to effectively design rules favoring some groups at the expense of others in a way that will reliably produce a predetermined outcome. I don’t believe technocrats have either the knowledge or ability to carry out such a task, and I think political elites wielding the power to treat people unequally in the service of creating a desired outcome is a terrible idea, because [gestures broadly at all of human history].
But these are simply practical concerns. A more fundamental objection I have is the idea that correct results are something that exist in advance of the process creating them. This kind of objection was recently brought to the forefront of my mind by a recent Twitter thread from Daron Acemoglu, suggesting that perhaps we are on the verge of having the kind of supercomputing power available to us to solve the kind of knowledge problems that concerned F. A. Hayek. Acemoglu fundamentally misunderstood the problem Hayek was describing. It’s not the case that economic information just exists “out there,” exogenously, and that if only we had enough computing power it could be used efficiently. Economic information doesn’t exist independently of the economic system – markets do not merely aggregate economic information; they generate the information itself.
Economic information does not exist prior to, and independently of, the market process, it is continuously created in the ever-ongoing market process. Acemoglu spoke as if the information simply exists as given, and we need only to input this pre-existing information to a system with sufficient computing power to solve the problem of economic calculation. He missed Hayek’s point completely.
This is analogous to what I find fundamentally wrong with the outcome view. It, too, treats the idea that “correct outcomes” are something that have their own exogenous existence, independently of what people are doing to generate those outcomes, and therefore the goal is to design a system that creates these pre-existing “correct” outcomes.
But I’ve never been able to make sense of that view. The grade a student should receive for an assignment isn’t something that simply exists out there in the ether, waiting for the correct grading process to uncover – the grade they should receive is something that is created, in the process of completing that assignment and the end result produced from that process. Likewise, the “correct” outcome of a sports competition doesn’t exist prior to the competition itself – it is generated as a result of engaging in that competition. And similarly, the outcome one “should” receive in an economic system doesn’t exist prior to that person’s productive engagement in that system – it emerges from how much that person produces that is valued by other people. For example, it’s not the case that a priori, Steve Jobs somehow “deserved” to make lots of money and the market correctly uncovered that pre-existing information. Instead, the market process made Steve Jobs a lot of money because by engaging in that process, Jobs produced a lot of things other people valued. Prior to engaging in that process, there was no answer to the question of how much Steve Jobs “should” make, and any theory that treats those answers as having a given, independent existence makes the same mistake Acemoglu made about Hayek.
READER COMMENTS
MarkW
Jun 14 2023 at 9:59am
Acemoglu fundamentally misunderstood the problem Hayek was describing.
Yes, and it boggles my mind that he (or anyone) can miss this. It’s not just that the information doesn’t exist without markets, it’s also the case that even if you take an existing market with all its extant (widely distributed) information, there would be no way to collect it and input it into the system. The (ever changing) information exists in the minds of millions of people, and those people sometimes (often? usually?) wouldn’t explicitly know (how to communicate) what they know (how to do/perceive/predict). Much of the important information is in the form of tacit knowledge.
But this is certainly not the first time leftists have mused about whether maybe NOW computers are powerful enough to overcome the ‘socialist calculation’ problem, and it probably won’t be the last. To the leftist mind, the dream is so tempting.
Grand Rapids Mike
Jun 16 2023 at 9:54am
Agree it always tempting. The sad part is that so many programs targeted to make thing better don’t work. The sadder part is that one cannot even raise the issue, such as aid to unmarried mothers and the terrible impact on the black family, without an onslaught of attacks. In the end it is not the results that count but to just virtue signal.
Thomas Hutcheson
Jun 14 2023 at 3:04pm
Sorry, but I reserve the right to prefer a world in which people’s consumption were more equal is better than one in which it is less. Whether or not a mechanism exists to bring that about, given other preferences I have is a separate question.
To get a little closer to the author’s point, I do agree that fairness should be applied at a higher level than individual transactions.
Mark Brady
Jun 14 2023 at 7:10pm
Factor incomes–and the consumption that they permit–depend on the structure of property rights as well as the market processes that occur within the framework of a particular property rights system. Consider, for example, the scope and term (duration) of intellectual property, e.g., patents and copyrights. In the nineteenth century there were active anti-patent and anti-copyright movements led to a large extent by classical liberals. Generally speaking, the protection of intellectual property was a lot less extensive and lengthy than it is today. And it varied greatly among the developed economies of the West.
Richard Fulmer
Jun 14 2023 at 10:28pm
Recall the parable of the immigrant who came to America and immediately punched the first man he met in the nose. When brought before a judge, he expressed his surprise, “I thought everyone was free here.” The judge replied, “Your freedom ended where that man’s nose began.
You have a right to your personal preferences and to express those preferences. The problem comes when attempts to implement your preferences “meet my nose.” Engineering a world of equal consumption requires violating countless people’s individual rights through force and the threat of force.
MarkW
Jun 15 2023 at 5:57am
Sorry, but I reserve the right to prefer a world in which people’s consumption were more equal is better than one in which it is less.
Then you should love the modern world built by free markets and free trade. Compared to the past, not are we now vastly wealthier, but also vastly more equal in our consumption — not only globally (with the astounding rise of the middle class in Asia during last half century) but also within our own western societies, as nearly all of modern miracles are accessible mass miracles — this is obviously true in medicine and technology (how much better is Bill Gates smartphone than yours? Or his Netflix subscription? Or his daily prescriptions?) But it is also true in food (who in the U.S. really doesn’t get enough calories), housing (who in the US is uncomfortably cold in winter or hot in summer) and travel (how much faster does Bill Gates travel by air than you?) Car ownership is close to universal, and who does not drive an automobile that is safer, more fuel-efficient, reliable, and crashworthy than luxury cars of a few decades ago (and possibly better along some of these dimensions than luxury cars today — just as coach commercial travel is faster and safer, albeit less comfortable and convenient, than private aircraft travel)?
And yet it seems that people primarily concerned with inequality are largely or completely blind to this great equalizing, hold the overall process that has produced it in low regard, and want to replace it with ‘some mechanism’ or other that they think will produce more ‘just’ results.
Thomas Hutcheson
Jun 15 2023 at 5:59pm
I am unpersuaded that your nose lies exactly on the boundary of the existing consumption distribution.
T Boyle
Jun 16 2023 at 1:54pm
Thomas, this is great! I can quit my job, show up at your house, and plan to share in your consumption, since my own consumption would otherwise be sharply limited by my decision to spend my time on serving my own needs rather than those of others – because, absent your philosophy, no-one would pay me for that. But now, it seems, you will! Huzzah! (To quote The Great, in case you hadn’t watched that show.)
The whole point of tolerating unequal outcomes is that we recognize that we ALL benefit when others do better, not only because they are no longer a burden on us, but because we benefit directly from their efforts to serve us (or the community, which ultimately comes back around to us). But, in that process, some will do better than others. So be it.
If “more equal” is the primary goal, we will end up – as you know – equally poor. The world has seen that movie – still sees it all too often.
On the other hand, “less equal” is never the primary goal either. The goal is something else entirely: increased long-term welfare of everyone. Let’s start there, and also acknowledge the simple fact that me showing up at your house to redistribute your consumption is not likely to advance that goal.
So, I won’t!
rick shapiro
Jun 15 2023 at 10:06am
You are absolutely correct that process equality is vital for enabling improved productivity, as well as for satisfying the human need for fairness. But you are overlooking an important part of the process: that the existence of society, a customer base, network effects, and law and order, make an enormous contribution to the accumulation of personal wealth; and that we (society and government) have a property right to a portion of great wealth, for amelioration of the circumstances of those who have encountered bad breaks in the lottery of life. Don’t forget that 90% max tax bracket in the 1950s coincided with productivity growth higher than the recent.
MarkW
Jun 15 2023 at 10:33am
“we (society and government) have a property right to a portion of great wealth”
A property right? So taxation is merely the government retrieving what it already rightfully owns? And why do you say ‘great wealth’ as opposed to just ‘wealth’? And who decides what is ‘great’ wealth (and, therefore, is properly owned by the government) and what is only ‘ordinary’ wealth (to which in your view — I hope — that individuals have some property rights of their own)?
“Don’t forget that 90% max tax bracket in the 1950s coincided with productivity growth higher than the recent”
And don’t forget that the very high tax brackets of the 50s and 60s were seldom paid and that because of the high brackets, executive compensation came in the form of generous expense accounts, club memberships, company cars, etc. Keep in mind, too, that when income tax rates were at those high levels, capital gains rates were at 25%. Here’s a good comparison between the effective tax rates paid by the wealthy during the 50s vs now.
Jon Murphy
Jun 15 2023 at 11:51am
There is no property right in another’s property. You can argue that there is a case for taxation on the “you didn’t build that” claim, but there simply is no property right. To claim so renders the concept meaningless.
Jim Glass
Jun 16 2023 at 1:25am
First: Nobody ever paid *anything like* those tax rates. There was a massive tax shelter industry that everybody with decent income used to avoid them. When I was a young puppy tax lawyer I was treated to a lot of very nice lunches in the Plaza Hotel, NYC, by shelter salespeople.
After the Tax Reform Act of 1986 dropped the top tax rate to 28% and wiped out the tax shelter industry, the amount of tax paid by the very richest people went *up*. And I went back to pizza for lunch.
Second: Those who laud the equality and growth of the glorious 1950s should recall that it all followed the mass economic destruction of the Great Depression of the 1930s, and the massive war of the 1940s.
Destroy the civilian economy for a generation, collapse the top to the bottom, push all the workers down into wage-controlled and military pay grades. After that, yes, you can expect very nice growth in all dimensions from the really low bottom you created. Anyone want to solve our problems today by doing it again?
Jim Glass
Jun 16 2023 at 1:33am
As to all the endless Fairness v Equality, Process v Outcome arguments, nobody ever mentions: Optimization.
Jon Murphy
Jun 16 2023 at 6:20am
That’s because those discussions must occur prior to any optimality discussion. Optimality is model-dependent and requires one to know what one is maximizing.
Jim Glass
Jun 17 2023 at 12:19pm
Optimize individuals.
Jon Murphy
Jun 17 2023 at 1:09pm
Which doesn’t mean anything. Again, optimality is model-dependent; it’s objective. We need to specify what object of individuals is being optimized to talk about optimality.
I find most discussions of optimality on economics to be meaningless
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