For the last 20 years that I taught at the Naval Postgraduate School, I always covered, in every course I taught, Friedrich Hayek’s famous 1945 article “The Use of Knowledge and Society,” American Economic Review, September 1945. It’s well worth reading.
Russ Roberts’s recent EconTalk interview of Peter Boettke, “Who Won the Socialist Calculation Debate?,” February 17, 2025, is well worth listening to or reading the transcript of. For in it, Pete, with input from Russ, tracks the history of the debate. Pete notes that Hayek moved one step beyond his mentor Ludwig von Mises. As well as talking about information that central planners didn’t have, Mises had focused on the lack of incentives within socialism. Hayek’s next step was to emphasize that even if lack of incentives were not a problem, central planners could not have the information they needed to plan an economy efficiently. That information was revealed only by market prices, and market prices came about because of hundreds of millions (now billions) of people acting on their own information. Although Hayek never used the term “local knowledge,” that is the term we Hayekians now use to refer to this decentralized information.
In the interview, they briefly discuss the issue of tin prices. Here’s the tin discussion, from Hayek’s 1945 article:
Assume that somewhere in the world a new opportunity for the use of some raw material, say, tin, has arisen, or that one of the sources of supply of tin has been eliminated. It does not matter for our purpose—and it is very significant that it does not matter—which of these two causes has made tin more scarce. All that the users of tin need to know is that some of the tin they used to consume is now more profitably employed elsewhere and that, in consequence, they must economize tin. There is no need for the great majority of them even to know where the more urgent need has arisen, or in favor of what other needs they ought to husband the supply. If only some of them know directly of the new demand, and switch resources over to it, and if the people who are aware of the new gap thus created in turn fill it from still other sources, the effect will rapidly spread throughout the whole economic system and influence not only all the uses of tin but also those of its substitutes and the substitutes of these substitutes, the supply of all the things made of tin, and their substitutes, and so on; and all his without the great majority of those instrumental in bringing about these substitutions knowing anything at all about the original cause of these changes. The whole acts as one market, not because any of its members survey the whole field, but because their limited individual fields of vision sufficiently overlap so that through many intermediaries the relevant information is communicated to all. The mere fact that there is one price for any commodity—or rather that local prices are connected in a manner determined by the cost of transport, etc.—brings about the solution which (it is just conceptually possible) might have been arrived at by one single mind possessing all the information which is in fact dispersed among all the people involved in the process.
Hayek then writes:
The marvel is that in a case like that of a scarcity of one raw material, without an order being issued, without more than perhaps a handful of people knowing the cause, tens of thousands of people whose identity could not be ascertained by months of investigation, are made to use the material or its products more sparingly; i.e., they move in the right direction. This is enough of a marvel even if, in a constantly changing world, not all will hit it off so perfectly that their profit rates will always be maintained at the same constant or “normal” level.
Why a marvel? Hayek answers:
I have deliberately used the word “marvel” to shock the reader out of the complacency with which we often take the working of this mechanism for granted. I am convinced that if it were the result of deliberate human design, and if the people guided by the price changes understood that their decisions have significance far beyond their immediate aim, this mechanism would have been acclaimed as one of the greatest triumphs of the human mind. Its misfortune is the double one that it is not the product of human design and that the people guided by it usually do not know why they are made to do what they do. But those who clamor for “conscious direction”—and who cannot believe that anything which has evolved without design (and even without our understanding it) should solve problems which we should not be able to solve consciously—should remember this: The problem is precisely how to extend the span of our utilization of resources beyond the span of the control of any one mind; and therefore, how to dispense with the need of conscious control, and how to provide inducements which will make the individuals do the desirable things without anyone having to tell them what to do.
When I taught this, I paused at the sentence, “I am convinced that if it were the result of deliberate human design, and if the people guided by the price changes understood that their decisions have significance far beyond their immediate aim, this mechanism would have been acclaimed as one of the greatest triumphs of the human mind.” I then said to my students that if the mechanism had been the result of deliberate human design, the human would almost have certainly have won the Nobel Prize in economics.
Along the way, Russ and Pete give a very nice treatment of various economic thinkers. On the site are mentioned the bios of over 20 economists. All of the bios are from David R. Henderson, ed., The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. I wrote all of them, except the one on Karl Marx, which Janet Beales Kaidantzis wrote.
Note: The accompanying pic is of Hayek and me. Hayek was autographing my copy of Studies in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics, one of my favorite of his books, in June 1975.
READER COMMENTS
Thomas L Hutcheson
Feb 27 2025 at 7:10am
I have not read much Hayek, but I have not read anything that would deny the possibility of some non-local knowledge being bought to bear of a transaction that would increase its value. Would Hayek have denied the utility of a Pigou tax on the emission of CO2 into the atmosphere? On what grounds?
Cyril Morong
Feb 27 2025 at 8:58am
“The problem is precisely how to extend the span of out utilization of resources beyond the span of the control of any one mind”
I think it should say our not out right before utilization.
Great picture of you and Hayek!
David Henderson
Feb 27 2025 at 11:33am
Thanks, Cyril, on both.
I corrected the typo in the quote from Hayek. Interestingly, in the original on the Econlib site, that typo is there.
Lauren Landsburg, Econlib Editor
Feb 27 2025 at 1:40pm
I have corrected the typo in the original.
David Henderson
Feb 27 2025 at 1:42pm
Thanks, Lauren.
Cyril Morong
Feb 27 2025 at 9:05am
From “Socialism” by Robert Heilbroner
The effects of the “bureaucratization of economic life” are dramatically related in The Turning Point, a scathing attack on the realities of socialist economic planning by two Soviet economists, Nikolai Smelev and Vladimir Popov, that gives examples of the planning process in actual operation. In 1982, to stimulate the production of gloves from moleskins, the Soviet government raised the price it was willing to pay for moleskins from twenty to fifty kopecks per pelt. Smelev and Popov noted:
https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/Socialism.html
Herb
Mar 1 2025 at 3:03pm
I looked up the reference The Turning Point. Unfortunately it is a rare book $94 was the least expensive). I will see if a library can find a copy.
I have yet to hear the podcast, but am looking forward to it.
Cyril Morong
Mar 3 2025 at 9:41am
Hope you find one
Richard W Fulmer
Feb 27 2025 at 4:53pm
Unfortunately, these types of posts are becoming increasingly relevant and necessary. Socialism’s popularity is on the rise in this country.
robc
Feb 28 2025 at 7:12am
I like to use craft beer as an example. There is no way, even with a perfect calculating machine, that you could determine that people would suddenly like a large influx of highly hopped beers. And with the flavor impact of a huge variety of hops.
It happened because home brewers and farmers were both experimenting. One group was making the beers they liked and thought others might like them to. The other was looking to open new markets.
Capitalism told both they were right.
David Henderson
Feb 28 2025 at 10:43am
Nice.
Also, one thing that we’ve observed with so many innovations is how they’re used in ways that even the innovators didn’t imagine. When the smartphone came along, for example, who thought that Instagram and TikTok would make sense?
pat peterson
Mar 16 2025 at 1:31pm
Good article.
But when you say: “As well as talking about information that central planners didn’t have, Mises had focused on the lack of incentives within socialism. ”
I think you need to reread Mises’ book “Socialism” or at least his famous 1920 article that was the original basis for the book: “Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth.” IN the book and the orig. article, as well as much of his subsequent writings, Mises focused on the impossibility of the central planner being able to calculate rationally without private property and resource prices. Incentives were a minor critique, not his “focus.”
Interesting to see your admission that you don’t really care about what Mises actually said, though when you use the phrase “we Hayekians”.
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