
In a recent post, Scott Alexander doubled down on his argument that building more housing generally results in higher housing prices. In his previous post, he pointed to the fact that housing is generally more expensive in bigger cities. I provided a counterexample, citing Houston and Austin. I also argued that big cities are expensive for reasons unrelated to their large quantity of housing, such as the advantages provided by agglomeration. Exogenous supply increases, such as making it easier to build new housing, generally reduce housing prices.
Here’s how Alexander responded to one of my arguments:
I started the post with a graph of about 50 cities, showing a positive correlation between density and price. I’m having trouble seeing how Sumner’s point isn’t just “if you remove 48 of those cities and cherry-pick two, the relationship is negative”.
I think Alexander misunderstood this argument, so let me go back and make the point more carefully. It will be helpful to make two separate arguments:
1. You’d expect big cities to be more expensive even if building housing reduces housing prices.
2. Austin and Houston are not the only counterexamples; there are many other such anomalies.
Let’s start with a simple model where there are zero restrictions on housing construction in all cities. Assume that America has 100 cities, each with industries of varying productivity. In that model, the largest cities will be next to the areas of greatest productivity. (Those areas of productivity were once linked to natural factors such as ports and mineral resources, but are increasingly linked to industries with network effects like finance, energy, entertainment and tech.) Again, assume there are no barriers to building, that is, construction of housing is so unconstrained that every single city makes modern Houston seem like a NIMBY stronghold.
Housing prices in this hypothetical economy will be higher in the larger cities, ceteris paribus, even though building additional housing might well depress prices. That’s because in a larger city, people will pay more for convenience (i.e., a good location). That would be true even if those bigger cities were not more productive. For instance, people would pay extra to reduce commuting costs, or to be close to amenities. But the bigger cities are (by assumption) also more productive, which provides another reason for housing prices to be higher in bigger cities—higher wages. This thought experiment suggests that the empirical relationship Alexander relies upon to make his argument would apply even if his argument were not true.
One response is that these industries with network effects only exist in places like New York because there are lots of people, and that you can’t have lots of people without lots of housing. That’s true, but has no bearing on the question of how additional housing affects prices at the margin. And from the previous thought experiment, it’s clear that looking at simple correlations doesn’t resolve that problem.
Alexander might reasonably respond that my model is overly simplistic. Building restrictions differ from one city to another. In that case, you might expect some exceptions to the iron law that bigger cities are more expensive than smaller cities. And since (he assumes) I found only one such anomaly, the correlation among the remaining cities is too strong to explain by (exogenous) factors other than city size.
Actually, I cited Austin and Houston merely as one example, and I picked this example because they are located in the same state. In fact, there are many, many examples of larger cities that are cheaper than smaller cities. And in virtually every single case the explanation is that the smaller but more expensive cities have more restrictions on building. In the list below, the metro areas on the left are larger and cheaper than the metro areas on the right:
Chicago >>> San Francisco Bay Area
Dallas/Forth Worth >>> Washington DC
Houston >>> Boston or Seattle
San Antonio >>> Portland
Phoenix >>> San Diego
Colorado Springs >>> Boulder
In each case, the larger metro area is cheaper than the smaller one. And in each case there are stricter limits on building in the more expensive city.
That doesn’t prove Alexander is wrong. It’s possible that the reason for more expensive housing in the NIMBY cities has nothing to do with restrictions on building. But I doubt it. I suspect that if Houston had adopted severe restrictions on building in the 1980s, then people would now attribute the resulting high housing prices as being due to all the oil money sloshing through its economy. But Houston decided to open its doors to anyone who wished to move there. As a result, even though Houston is the global energy capital and is full of well paid petroleum engineers, and even though energy is one of the world’s largest industries, Houston is still a cheap place to live. Instead, it got much bigger. BTW, Houston also has well paid aerospace engineers, well paid business executives and well paid doctors, etc. There’s more than enough money in Houston to drive up housing prices if they had restricted building.
Update: Emily Hamilton of the Mercatus Center has an excellent post explaining how Houston’s YIMBY policies lead to greater housing affordability.
It may appear that Alexander is “Reasoning from a quantity change.” After all, it makes no sense to discuss the impact of a change in quantity on price, without knowing why quantity changed. If Oakland gets more housing because it deregulates, prices will probably fall. If Oakland gets more housing because it becomes trendier, then prices will probably rise. Alexander seems to understand this problem, and thus at least implicitly seems to believe that every single factor that might boost Oakland’s housing supply would have the effect of boosting demand by more than supply. That is, he seems to believe that NIMBY policies make cities cheaper. That’s theoretically possible, but seems unlikely in most cases.
To recap my argument:
1. The correlation Alexander cites proves nothing—you’d expect bigger cities to be more expensive even if (at the margin) building more housing did not raise prices.
2. Alexander is correct that if his model were wrong then you’d expect some exceptions to the generally positive relationship between density and price, due to differential restrictions on building. But plenty of such exceptions do exist, and almost always in exactly the places predicted by YIMBY proponents of more building. Elsewhere in his post he dismisses intercity comparisons between trendy coastal cities and heartland cities. Nonetheless, the examples I provide show that I didn’t just cherry pick one exception with my Austin/Houston comparison, there are many such anomalies. And one can find such anomalies even within coastal areas. The Bay Area is more expensive than LA, despite being smaller. It has more restrictive zoning. The Boston metro area is more expensive than metro DC, despite being smaller. Boston has more restrictive zoning. And you can’t say that LA and DC are not desirable markets.
Just to be clear, our dispute has absolutely no policy implications. For instance, I said:
If building more housing raises its price, then the argument for more construction is even stronger.
And Alexander responded:
I agree with all this.
This is important, because his previous post had seemed to indicate that he thought it was a “problem” that new construction led to higher housing prices. He previously said:
This is a coordination problem: if every city upzones together, they can all get lower house prices, but each city can minimize its own prices by refusing to cooperate and hoping everyone else does the hard work.
What “hard work”?
In the new post he makes it very clear that this is not a “problem.” He supports the YIMBY position.
Thus we both support making it easier to build housing in Oakland, although he thinks this would raise prices and I think it would lower them. If I’m wrong, that is, if more housing boosted house prices in Oakland, then we both agree that this would be an especially good result. And I concede that I might be wrong.
P.S. Slightly off topic, it’s worth recalling why new houses should be “unaffordable” for average Americans. Think of a steady-state society with only 100 families, living in 100 houses of varying quality. Assume that each house lasts 100 years. Each year, the worst house is torn down, and a new house is built. In order for the quality of the housing stock to rise by 1%/year, the new house must be twice as good as the average existing house. Each year, the families all shift over one house, moving gradually to better and better properties. The richest family lives in the newly built house, which is (by assumption) unaffordable to the other 99 families.
In a more realistic model with population growth, not every new house is unaffordable to the bottom 99%. But even with population growth, new construction in an economy with rising living standards will tend to be much nicer than the existing stock of housing, which means that new construction will generally be “unaffordable” to the average family. If new housing is affordable to the average family, then society will not progress.
P.P.S. Alexander describes my previous post as follows:
6. Comments By Famous People Who Potentially Have Good Opinions
Scott Sumner is an economist and blogger
I don’t see myself as a famous person, but I share his view that I have the potential to hold good opinions. As far as the question of whether I do actually hold good opinions, I’ll let readers decide.
READER COMMENTS
AMT
May 10 2023 at 1:59pm
This is why I said whether housing prices will increase or decrease from deregulation and more housing construction is a stupid question to answer. We already know the optimal policy. I’ll go even further and say it is actually dangerous to spend so much time discussing it because you risk the economically illiterate and those with poor reading comprehension (of which there is no short supply, and plenty even commenting on his blog) erroneously concluding, “prices might rise, so it is bad to deregulate and allow more more housing construction!”
Scott Sumner
May 10 2023 at 5:38pm
I agree.
Thomas L Hutcheson
May 11 2023 at 6:47am
Well, just the policy implication that it is good to eliminate restrictions on [residential and commercial real estate development] that do not prevent negative externalities whether or not it reduces prices within the jurisdiction of the restriction reducing entity.Substitute anything else in the the [box]: immigration, fossil fuel development, international trade and investment, etc.
Kevin Erdmann
May 10 2023 at 4:29pm
Scott, I thought your response was good, and I was pleased to see that he recognized that. Here was my response, which draws on the findings from my recent Mercatus papers:
https://kevinerdmann.substack.com/p/does-density-increase-local-prices
In brief, one point I make is that in the expensive cities that are held up as examples of agglomeration value, it is the poorest neighborhoods with the least local amenities that systematically have appreciated the most. I assert that this is a dependable signal of inadequate supply, and it comes mostly from the resistance of long-term residents to being displaced, so that the households who are remainers rather than leavers as prices increased have self-selected as households willing to pay more for the endowment value of location.
Fast growing cities that either are actually creating new agglomeration value (Austin) or hit cyclical supply supply capacity (2005 Phoenix) don’t have that pattern. In those cases, home prices and rents tend to rise across the whole region.
Phoenix provides a good example of a city that was growing a lot before 2008, so that its brief boom was associated with broad price appreciation, and has since grown much more slowly because it has become harder for traditional inmigrants into Phoenix to purchase new homes with mortgages, so that now its price and rent appreciation is negatively correlated with local incomes (more like LA & NYC).
Scott Sumner
May 10 2023 at 5:40pm
Good points. Scott Alexander would greatly benefit from reading your work on housing.
MarkW
May 10 2023 at 4:56pm
Colorado Springs >>> Boulder
Yep, and in my state:
Detroit >>> Grand Rapids >>> Ann Arbor
In fact, isn’t it generally true that the largest city in a many states is cheaper and bigger than the city that hosts the state’s flagship university?
Other examples of this would include:
Milwaukee >>> Madison
Des Moines >>> Iowa City
Indianapolis >>> Bloomington
Scott Sumner
May 10 2023 at 5:38pm
Good examples.
john hare
May 10 2023 at 6:39pm
I suspect you get a lot of pushback from people in areas like mine. In central Florida housing construction is booming and prices have been rising. I suspect it has a lot to do with catching up to other areas in price, plus covid/leftist refuges from areas with higher prices.
New subdivisions under construction now have signs “from the high 200s” and many have “from the low 300s”. Not long ago $150,000.00 was a nice house.
Scott Sumner
May 11 2023 at 1:44am
“In central Florida housing construction is booming and prices have been rising.”
Yup, and it’s called an upward sloping supply curve. It’s in all the textbooks.
But what happens when the supply curve shifts to the right?
john hare
May 11 2023 at 4:34am
The pushback from people that see two facts in the right now would not be thinking (or aware) of supply curve or any other reason for what they see. Most people do not think like an economist.
Scott Sumner
May 11 2023 at 10:05am
Yes, most people don’t understand S&D. Indeed, I often see professional economists “reason from a price change.”
Thomas Hutcheson
May 10 2023 at 10:17pm
It is interesting and convenient if you are trying to persuade a “progressive” NIMBY that removing restriction on residentials and commercial construction might reduce housing prices in the very jurisdiction where the restrictions were removed. But there are lots of reasons it might not. The policy would still be good (wealth generating) even if the reduction in prices occurred elsewhere. This is more than a little bit theoretical in Washington DC, a small city that is part of a large metropolitan area. If NIMBYs took over the DC government as began allowing much more housing and residential development, my guess is that it would reduce prices in the most “urban” parts of Arlington and Alexandria, not in DC itself.
Dylan
May 11 2023 at 4:35am
No disagreement with your argument but I do find it interesting that in 100% of your examples, my subjective feeling is that the cities on the right are all nice places that I’d like to live in and the cities on the left are not.
MarkW
May 11 2023 at 9:47am
Yes, but at this point, this is more about climate and recreational opportunities than anything else. All things being equal, San Diego is more desirable than Phoenix because of access to the ocean and much less intense summer heat. But if I were picking a metro area based on dynamism and growth opportunities, I certainly wouldn’t pick San Diego over Phoenix.
Scott Sumner
May 11 2023 at 10:06am
Yes, it’s natural that NIMBYism thrives in those areas. Texans worry less about the landscape being paved over.
Knut P. Heen
May 11 2023 at 8:34am
Hold on, this is a debate which requires more precision. The point is that housing is bundled with land. You can build taller buildings or smaller units, but you cannot create more land. More housing units will reduce the price of housing on top of the land, but will increase the price of the land itself. The latter effect may be important in areas where geography limits city growth horizontally (islands, valleys, etc.). Moreover, the lower the quality of the housing on top of the land, the larger fraction of the price of the unit is due to the price of the land. Now, if the question only were about carving up land in smaller and smaller pieces, the price per square feet would increase (otherwise there would be no incentive to carve up the land in the first place). In some areas, I guess you pay 50/50 for the house and the land, but at places like Manhattan it must be skewed heavily in the direction of land.
AMT
May 11 2023 at 11:37am
I think I recall Bryan Caplan saying something along the following lines a while back:
Another major issue is that NIMBY proponents may also by myopic and irrational from the perspective of wanting to maximize the value of their house. Even if average housing costs (including all type of homes) decrease, I will STILL benefit most when the area around me densifies massively, because my 1/3 acre lot is worth a LOT more to a developer that can build a 100 story skyscraper on the land (maybe plus more adjacent lots) than it will be to anyone looking to purchase a single family home, even a market with regulation related price distortions pushing up housing costs a massive amount.
Again, no matter how you slice it, allowing more construction is a MASSIVE boon to society overall, and those benefits are even dispersed pretty widely, even if people don’t understand how they are benefiting. NIMBYs aren’t just hurting others by causing economic inefficiency, they could very well be hurting themselves too!
Knut P. Heen
May 12 2023 at 9:00am
I remember looking for a hotel in Benidorm, Spain. It struck me that the older hotels were a few streets from the beach while the newer hotels were at the beach. I understood what had happened when I came there. They had just moved the beach out in the sea and built new streets with new hotels in front of the older ones. I guess the owners of the older hotels were not happy.
The value of a property is a function of the plan that regulates construction. Changing the plan without compensation is an attack on property rights. Rational people pay more for a house with a view if they are certain that no one can build a skyscraper in front of it. Changing the regulations ex post is akin to theft (stealing the view you paid for). This is the reason we typically end up with two types of cities. One type in which you never owned your view (no regulation on construction) and another type in which you do own your view (regulations on construction).
Scott Sumner
May 14 2023 at 12:34pm
By that argument any deregulation is “theft”. Removing price controls or tariffs is theft. Deregulating airlines was theft. Legalizing pot is theft. Is that your argument? There are always losers from deregulation.
Todd R Ramsey
May 11 2023 at 9:56am
Is the root of “Alexander’s Paradox” that the improved amenities made possible by increased density cause an outward shift in the demand curve for housing in that area?
I agree with everything Scott and Kevin wrote, but I didn’t perceive this point made specifically.
Scott Sumner
May 11 2023 at 10:09am
A larger population provides more amenities, but it also increases productivity via “agglomeration effects”. That’s why the demand for housing is higher.
And it’s not a paradox, properly understood.
MarkW
May 11 2023 at 11:31am
If a larger population provides more amenities and productivity via agglomeration, then aren’t we well on the way to having the NIMBYism problem being solved by population shifts that have already been happening? In 1990, San Diego was larger than Phoenix. Now it’s much smaller. Given that, shouldn’t we be more interested in how to fit even more people into Phoenix rather than San Diego (because of Phoenix’s larger population and greater productivity)?
Similarly how many cities have Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Miami, Atlanta, etc passed in recent decades? It looks like it’s only a matter of time before DFW and Houston catch Chicago and Atlanta and Miami pass DC and Philadelphia. Phoenix metro is already ahead of not only San Diego, but also Boston, the SF Bay Area, Seattle, and Detroit. We already have multiple YIMBY big cities that are overtaking their old, tired NIMBY rivals. So why not relax and let the process play out? After all, it seems to be working, doesn’t it?
Scott Sumner
May 11 2023 at 11:53am
Population is not the only factor. San Diego has more amenities and more human capital. It needs more people.
MarkW
May 11 2023 at 3:58pm
What makes agglomeration more productive of human capital in San Diego than in Phoenix? Is it some function of agglomeration plus time? Is Phoenix too new?
It seems to me that San Diego is rather hemmed in (Mexico to the south, the Pacific to the west, mountains and desert to the east). The large footprint of the Navy and Marines on prime land is a limiting factor too (and I don’t see that changing — where else would the Navy locate its West Coast base?) Looking to the future, I’d bet on Phoenix continuing to widen its lead.
Kevin Erdmann
May 11 2023 at 10:04pm
Scott, I really have to apologize for this, but I think it must be said.
I’m afraid that the claim that San Diego has more amenities, more human capital, and agglomeration economies compared to Phoenix is reasoning from a price change.
Average income in San Diego was similar to Phoenix until in the 1990s building rates in San Diego plummeted, leading to a compositional increase in local incomes when poor families started moving away from San Diego in large numbers to economize. Phoenix could do the same thing, and they might, unfortunately.
I suppose you can reason from beaches and palm trees, but those things didn’t lead to high San Diego prices or incomes 50 years ago.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=13rCK
I know we have this whole literature now on “superstar cities” that provides an entire school of thought that reasons from a price change, but until one of them manages to approve new housing at the rate of a successful cities, estimates of the high demand for living in them are speculative. Maybe Austin will come to the rescue, becoming the first recognized “superstar” that grows like one and remains relatively affordable.
Scott Sumner
May 13 2023 at 1:31pm
“I’m afraid that the claim that San Diego has more amenities, more human capital, and agglomeration economies compared to Phoenix is reasoning from a price change.”
No, that’s not what I was doing. I was explaining why building restriction in San Diego are inefficient, even though residents can move to Phoenix.
Scott Sumner
May 13 2023 at 1:33pm
Mark, Yes, geography explains some of the high prices in San Diego, but building restrictions are the bigger problem. I agree that Phoenix will grow faster.
Kevin Erdmann
May 13 2023 at 3:06pm
OK. Maybe I read more into your comment than was there.
You’re off the hook….. for now!
Jose Pablo
May 11 2023 at 2:02pm
What Scott Alexander is arguing is akin to say that building more roads makes traffic congestion worse, because the improving capacity due to the new/bigger roads attracts more traffic.
Actually, if you look at the data you will find that the “higher” the roads capacity in an area, the worse the traffic congestion. Which seems to confirm the hypothesis.
Reductio ad absurdum works well in these cases: Alexander’s argument means that if you build an infinite number of new houses (or new roads), house prices (or traffic congestion) will be infinite. I found this conclusion very unlikely, ergo …
Scott Sumner
May 13 2023 at 1:34pm
Good analogy.
Jose Pablo
May 11 2023 at 2:04pm
As far as the question of whether I do actually hold good opinions, I’ll let readers decide.
Your readers suffer from “selection bias”, since they, very likely, are your readers because they think you hold good opinions.
So, I would not trust this bunch of people reading you that much.