
Commenters often express skepticism that monetary policy should be conducted by experts. They point to the fact that expert policymakers have made a number of errors over the long history of the Fed, and suggest that we might be better off giving non-experts a chance.
But which non-experts? Should we turn the Fed over to farmworkers who pick tomatoes? How about people that work in nail salons? The world of non-experts is vast, and it’s not clear which non-experts would be best. How about plumbers?
At this point people might respond that we should try appointing really smart non-experts. But who would they be? Perhaps brain surgeons or particle physicists?
If you press hard enough, I think the people who are skeptical of elitists running the Fed often have a very specific set of non-experts in mind—people in business and finance. People with “real world” experience. Unfortunately, there is no real world experience relevant to monetary policy.
[Coincidentally, many of the commenters who read my two blogs work in business and finance. So perhaps when they are thinking of non-experts to lead the Fed, they are thinking of the person they see when looking in the mirror.]
Here’s the problem with this view. It turns out that running a bank gives you no more expertise to run monetary policy than does running a nail salon. That’s because monetary policy is very different from banking, indeed they are essentially unrelated fields.
At this point I probably sound like snob, suggesting that only experts like me should be able to run monetary policy. That’s a bit misleading for two reasons. First, I would turn down any offer to join the Federal Reserve Board because I’m not qualified. I believe that I am qualified to vote on FOMC monetary policy decisions, but I am not qualified to do all of the other duties that have been (unwisely) given to the Fed, such as bank regulation. So I am not arguing that the Fed should hire people like me.
There is another reason why I am less elitist than might appear at first glance. While I want the Fed to hire the best experts, unlike many other economists I don’t care at all about credentials. As far as I am concerned one can be a self-taught expert. I suspect that someone like Matt Yglesias would do a decent job. Thus while I would not argue that Powell is the absolute top expert in monetary policy, he does have a lot of expertise in the field, despite lacking a PhD in economics. But that expertise did not come from working in the financial industry, rather much of his expertise was acquired at the Fed.
Some people argue that Powell shows that expertise is not essential, because he did a better job promoting recovery than Bernanke or Yellen, who both have had much more formal training in monetary economics. But when Powell first joined the Fed, his views were if anything slightly more hawkish than those of Yellen, at a time when a more dovish policy would have been appropriate. Powell benefited from what he learned over the 2010s, and also from the lessons other top Fed officials learned from what (in retrospect) was inappropriately timid monetary stimulus during the 2010s.
Recently, the Fed overshot its implicit target for aggregate demand, a mistake that Bernanke or Yellen would have been slightly less likely to make. Thus while in an overall sense Powell has done a very good job, in some ways better than his two predecessors, a closer look at his record does not provide much support for the claim that monetary policy is best left to the non-exports. He’s gotten better as he’s acquired more expertise.
While some of my better non-economist commenters are knowledgeable enough to do a reasonably good job managing monetary policy, I think they are often fooled into overestimating how easy the job is. At any point in time, policy might be too easy or too tight. If you guessed one way and the Fed went the other, and then you turned out to be right, then it would be easy to conclude that you were smarter than the Fed. But even an 8-year old child would often be correct when asked to guess whether policy was too easy or too tight.
True expertise in monetary policy requires much more than being lucky in your intuition about whether policy is too easy or tight at the moment. For instance, suppose I asked you to explain when the concept of money neutrality is appropriate and when it is not. Then I asked you when the concept of monetary superneutrality is appropriate and when it is not. Can you answer both questions off the top of your head? If not, then there are plenty of other people (mostly economists) who are more capable of running monetary policy than you are. These concepts are often not important for day-to-day policy. But at the times they are, such as during the late 1960s, you sure as heck need to understand them.
I want experts piloting the airliners I fly in. I want experts doing brain surgery if I have a tumor. And I want experts running monetary policy.
But I’d also like to shift to a monetary regime where expertise is less important, such as my “guardrails” approach. If we get there in my lifetime (unlikely), then I’ll be more open to hiring a farmworker to run the Fed.
PS. Most recent presidents have made lots of mediocre appointments to the Fed, and a few excellent choices. Given the importance of monetary policy, we really ought to be appointing no one but the most highly qualified. Pay them whatever it takes.
READER COMMENTS
Andrew_FL
Feb 8 2022 at 5:41pm
Well there’s where I agree, businessmen should not run the Fed.
Lizard Man
Feb 8 2022 at 8:04pm
I am going to disagree, in part just for my own entertainment.
But I do think that there is a good case to be made for the Fed to be governed by a representative sample of US citizens. Any type of monetary policy that tries to balance price stability and full employment can be viewed in terms of the risks of undershooting on employment and overshooting on inflation. Fed policy is ultimately about both assessing what those risks are, and about how value those risks. The experts should definitely be the ones assessing the risks that various policy choices entail, but at the end of the day the choice about which policy and set of risks to choose is a value judgement, which a representative sample of Americans is arguably more qualified to make because as a body they better understand the nation and its values than an unrepresentative board comprised solely of wealthy members of the professional managerial class.
Scott Sumner
Feb 9 2022 at 11:57am
Keep in mind that Congress gave the Fed its mandate. So in a sense the public did get to choose which target is appropriate.
robc
Feb 8 2022 at 8:36pm
I suggest roughly 325 million separate policies.
Jon Murphy
Feb 9 2022 at 7:32am
I see what you are saying, robc, but I do not think that 325 million separate monetary policies is desirable. Money is a valuable institution partly because it lowers the transaction costs of exchange by providing a medium. If every single person had their own currency (and, consequently, their own monetary policies), then we’d not be in a much better position than bartering.
For the same reason, I do not want 325 million separate policies on car manufacturing.
Competition in monetary policy, yes. Complete and total autarky, no.
robc
Feb 9 2022 at 8:21am
Just like with auto manufacturing, I assume many of the 325 million would choose to cede their policy making to another.
But that should be their choice. Like I could choose to build a car from scratch, or buy a prebuilt one.
Like with autos, I, personally, would go with prebuilt. However, I would avoid either of the fiat choices currently available — neither the Fed nor bitcoin. I would choose a backed money.
Scott Sumner
Feb 9 2022 at 11:58am
Under NGDP futures targeting, 325 million people get to implement policy.
Andrew_FL
Feb 9 2022 at 12:19pm
What? No they don’t!
robc
Feb 9 2022 at 5:57pm
What is I want a different target than you?
Hugh D'Andrade
Feb 8 2022 at 9:12pm
Right on the money.
Monte
Feb 8 2022 at 9:26pm
Hear, hear! And if past performance is even the slightest indication of future results, using the Dow as a benchmark, the top 5 Fed chairs were all trained economists, save two (according to Wall Street Watchdog).
It may have helped that all these guys had other interestss that occasioned a healthy retreat from the burdensome duty of directing monetary policy. The maestro was an accomplished musician. Volcker was an avid fly-fisherman. Martin, an avid tennis player. Eccles had his Mormon faith. And Daniel Crissinger? Well, anybody born in a log cabin that ends up as a lawyer is destined to become a GOAT…
Jose Pablo
Feb 9 2022 at 11:08pm
But you don’t want “people with just a formal training” in this fields working with/on you.
I will avoid an PhD in “airplane piloting” or in “brain surgery” with just “formal training” performing anything on me.
For that I want people that has actually done some real piloting and some real brain surgery as opposed to people that has devoted his life to study how piloting or surgery have to be properly done “in theory”.
We avoid using “blackboard experts” to perform relevant tasks. We much prefer “on the job training”. That’s for a reason. And, when possible, people with “skin in the game”: I am pretty sure the pilot in my plane is going to do his best to safely land the aircraft.
So, it would be surprising that “blackboard” experts were what is needed to led the FED. At least if they making a mistake has worse consequences that the head of an economic department at a university making a mistake when designing the sylabus that should be followed.
Monte
Feb 10 2022 at 10:01am
Of course we want practical experience from those who would pilot our planes or perform surgery on our brains, but those skills must begin with theory before they’re put into practice. Also, keep in mind that the pilot and the surgeon have physical tools with which to work, whereas the scalpel for the economist to conduct monetary policy kind of is the blackboard, in a manner of speaking.
Kevin
Feb 8 2022 at 10:29pm
While experts are often wrong, your point about guessing is a good one. People too easily conclude (inappropriately) that they are better than the experts in a whole host of fields.
Alex S.
Feb 9 2022 at 1:35am
I think there is one major factor that has been overlooked: ability to form consensus, trust and good working relationships. In econ terms: ability matters for IO purposes. I think that is one of Powell’s defining attributes.
I mean just imagine in this day and age that someone who was appointed as a Treasury undersecretary by Bush I, then a Fed governor by Obama, then Fed chair by Trump, and then again by Biden. That’s nothing short of a miracle.
Scott Sumner
Feb 9 2022 at 12:00pm
I am opposed to the consensus approach to monetary policy. I prefer the Bank of England approach—majority vote where everyone’s vote counts equally.
Alex S.
Feb 9 2022 at 2:13pm
No quibbles with what you on switching to a non-consensus approach to MP. My main point is — given U.S. institutional constraints on MP — the ability to play nice with others is a critical skill to consider, otherwise one’s expertise will be meaningless.
Thus, Powell has this skill. I don’t know to what extent the other newer nominees do. For example, one nominee has apparently blocked the GOP Senate Banking’s Twitter account … that doesn’t bode well for the “play nicely with others” skill. I’d be afraid of what’s happened to the FDIC will happen to the Fed.
Monte
Feb 9 2022 at 4:48pm
I think even more could be said of William McChesney Martin. He was the longest-serving Fed chair to date, having served through 5 different administrations. His was a consensus approach, and he did stay on relatively good terms with every president except Nixon. But more importantly he was resolute in preserving the independence of the Fed, unlike Powell, who, like his predecessor, seems inclined to expand the Fed’s mission into addressing social issues like climate change and the distribution of income.
Powell and Yellen, who worked together on the Fed for nearly six years, now run the Fed and Treasury respectively, and it’s this dynamic that has the appearance, anyway, of a conflict of interest (ie. implementing the White House’s economic agenda).
Alex S.
Feb 9 2022 at 5:53pm
Martin is quite an interesting case since he was appointed by Truman to be Treasury’s A/S of monetary affairs. Then he helped create the Fed-Treasury Accord, which 6 days after which McCabe resigns his Fed Chairmanship and Martin gets nominated to take his place. I can’t imagine that the Truman Admin was too pleased with what transpired thereafter. They must have thought yeah we’ll sign off as long as we can put our own guy there. Ooopsie on Truman’s part.
There is also a story of LBJ physically assaulting Martin because of his perceived aversion to finance the war in Vietnam.
As you point out Nixon disliked him. I suspect that Eisenhower might have been his only non-hater. I sense that Martin might have been lucky enough to have the outgoing presidents dislike him just about the time an incoming president of the competing party was due to consider the Fed chair nominee.
To the extent that Powell dips his toe in the income inequality and climate change stuff I think it’s mostly strategic: Appear to openly embrace these topics while emphasizing the Fed’s limited ability to address them. If he appeared overly dismissive of these he’d be out of a job. If acknowledges them he can at least control the narrative. I guess taking the Martin narrative above, we can hope that as Trump disliked Powell during his WH stay, Biden will also dislike Powell by the end of his WH stay.
Monte
Feb 9 2022 at 8:07pm
I wished I could be as confident as you, but I believe it’s more than just kabuki. The mission creep is concerning enough, but if we’re to believe Danielle DiMartino Booth, former aide to ex-Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher and author of the book, Fed Up, “It’s simply remarkable that the purview of scientists and politicians has made its way into central banking. It’s as if Fed officials are speaking out of both sides of their mouths.”
When it comes to their respective roles, Yellen and Powell appear to embrace similar beliefs that go beyond convention. Powell should know where to draw the line, but will he?
Sean
Feb 9 2022 at 6:12pm
This is where I agree.
I don’t think monetary economics are that complicated anymore maybe because of Sumner. If you economy is too hot (set your targets) you hike; if too cold you cut rates. Give the market confidence that you will correct mistakes.
this is where I think Powell sort of a market person has been better than Bernanke or Yellen. Bernanke lacked aggressiveness; Yellen is a terrible communicator. It took powell time to get up to speed and he did mess up late 2018 – but now that he knows how to run the fed his other abilities make him better than academics.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Feb 9 2022 at 7:58am
I think having a particle physicist or a quantitative biologist on the Board could be a very good thing
Kenneth Duda
Feb 9 2022 at 8:37am
If the Fed would just target the level of NGDP using a prediction market, then even I would be qualified to run monetary policy at the Fed. And so would the average preschooler.
Today’s FOMC is like a train that goes off the track if the engineer doesn’t turn the steering wheel just right. Oh, and instead of one engineer, let’s have a committee that votes on which way to turn the steering wheel, like the way companies are run by committee instead of a single CEO, and airplanes are steered by committees instead of a single (lead) pilot. Is there a dumber way to run monetary policy? [thinks about the gold standard, and bitcoin, and the ECB] — okay fine, yes there is, but still, it’s a crying shame that we don’t have automatic monetary policy yet.
I, a non-economist, figured this out eight years ago (from Scott’s blog of course). It’s not obvious, but it’s not that hard either.
Why aren’t these so-called experts demanding this?
Kenneth Duda
Menlo Park, CA
Scott Sumner
Feb 9 2022 at 12:01pm
Good question. Robin Hanson has written on the puzzle of why we don’t have many more prediction markets in all sorts of public policy areas.
Thomas Lee Hutcheson
Feb 9 2022 at 8:51am
Another advantage of having physical scientists on the board is they are more likely to push the Fed to develop new information sources: prediction markets, NGDP futures markets, thicker inflation expectations markets (1, 2, 3 year expectations.
David S
Feb 9 2022 at 8:54am
I’d like to be the first idiot on this thread to suggest a computer program be given authority for critical monetary policy actions. Kenneth Duda seemed to be hinting at this in his comment, but I want the credit. There will be a healthy debate (amongst experts) about what parameters would incorporated into the software, but the following seem obvious:
-NGDP forecasts
-PCE
-Labor Force participation levels
Before the government rushes into a bidding contract on this software package we would have to decide what group of people is entrusted with the power to overrule the software if it starts tanking the economy.
p.s. I’ve been watching Knight Rider reruns on Netflix and can’t help but notice the level of optimism that prevailed in the early 80’s about AI–notwithstanding the disastrous performance of HAL 9000.
Jose Pablo
Feb 9 2022 at 10:48pm
Blockchain should be ruling this kind of decisions …
Wait, that would make the dollar a kind of FED sponsored bitcoin …
That for sure will make monetary policy much more predictable and truly independent … and will make many happy by keeping the FED out of sustainability and equity virtue signaling statements and policies.
It is a pity that blockchain cannot be trained in economics … which, obviously, made this technology unfit to lead the FED.
Philo
Feb 9 2022 at 11:32am
If you would be happy to see Matt Yglesias appointed to the Fed, you certainly should not decline an appointment yourself. On monetary policy he is just a Sumner acolyte, and why think he would handle bank regulation any better than you would?
Henri Hein
Feb 9 2022 at 1:42pm
I will put my hand up as someone who cautions about the fallibility of experts. As long as humans are in charge, given enough time, they will make some egregious error. I don’t see the point of swapping one type of expert with another type, though, as this new type of expert is liable to the same problem.
A rules-based system like the one Kenneth Duda describes is less likely to lead to egregious errors. With a system like that, we might be better off with non-experts in charge. An over-confident expert would sometimes be tempted to second-guess the rules and violate them. A non-expert would be more likely to follow the rules consistently.
Jose Pablo
Feb 9 2022 at 10:37pm
If formal training in economics is helpful to lead the Fed, this would be the only job in the world (apart from teaching economics), that kind of training is helpful for.
It is useless, maybe even counterproductive, to lead a bank (big or small), a manufacturing firm, the government or any other value adding job. If “formal training” (which everybody knows is useless) is key to leading the FED, that should make the whole FED’s role very suspicious.
Actually, you can argue that the FED it is the “last redoubt” of a “Gosplan led” kind of economy. Why do we need a group of “experts” deciding the amount and price of money more than we need a group of “experts” deciding the amount and price of steel or coal?
I understand that if Central Banks just disappear the economist unemployment problem can get worse. But apart from that, what would be the damage? As per Scott own account, they caused the Great Depression and made the Great Recession worse (artificially inflated asset prices, the dolar lost most of its real value under its watch … you name it).
As it has been the case with other “branches” of the Gosplan, they will not be missed.
Jose Pablo
Feb 10 2022 at 9:22am
A brilliant reminder of the kind of “experts” we are talking about when we talk about “economic experts with lots of formal training”:
http://www.owl232.net/papers/passivity.htm
We are talking about “physicians bleeding Washington to death” kind of experts.
Not to be confused with “experts piloting airplanes” or “experts performing brain surgery”. Nothing to do.
Michael Sandifer
Feb 11 2022 at 12:13am
The more time passes, the more I want to see banking and monetary policy 100% privatized. No one knows exactly what that would look like, especially in an era of increasingly rapidly advancing fintech, but I’d at least like to see an alternative bank charter that deregulates banking, allows for private currency issuance, and forbids bailouts, and hence, moral hazard.
If a central bank must run monetary policy, why have an FOMC at all? If you really have confidence in your NGDPLT idea, employing a subsidized NGDP futures market, why not have software run monetary policy? Why are human decisions required for a rules-based system?
Michael Sandifer
Feb 11 2022 at 12:25am
When it comes to questions of money neutrality, I assume it depends on how long it actually takes wages to adjust to various shocks. I’ve long argued that, generally, it takes considerably longer than most economists seem to suggest, and particularly, that the US economy never fully recovered from the Great Recession. On the general point, this Reinhart and Rogoff paper seems to support my general claim, at least with regard to recessions associated with financial crises:
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/rogoff/files/aer_104-5_50-55.pdf
And, of course, as I’ve stated many times, pre-Great Recession market forecasts in both stocks and bonds expected much higher NGDP and RGDP growth for what became the recovery period, leading up to today. It casts serious doubt on the assumed severity of the current secular stagnation, which is thought mostly due to the continuation of long-term trends, such as population growth deceleration and shifts to more service sector work, etc..
Of course, there is some truth to the secular stagnation hypothesis, but it’s considerably overrated. Even Tyler Cowen has become something of a techno-optimist in recent years.
Ognian Davchev
Feb 12 2022 at 1:42am
Scott, you know who the best non-experts for the FED are. It’s truck drivers. They have the (second) best mental model of what “steering” the nominal economy is like. Tapping on the breaks when it’s picking up speed, etc.
I only say this half jokingly. The best thing you can do when doing something is have a mental model that is as close to reality as possible.
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