What Deindustrialization?

Many critics of free trade argue that globalization has led to the US becoming deindustrialized; That is, trade is eroding our manufacturing base.  Economists refute this claim by pointing to the fact that US industrial production is near the record highs set in 2018 or that the manufacturing component, while off the highs set in 2008, is still at a very high level of production.  Indeed, just last quarter, the US manufacturing sector produced $7.3 trillion worth of goods.  This is hardly the picture of a manufacturing sector that has been gutted by international trade.  

“But wait!” the clever protectionist claims. “We need to consider the counterfactual.  Think of how much higher manufacturing would be if it weren’t for globalization!”

This objection is reasonable.  Counterfactuals are always difficult to consider.  By definition, the counterfactual does not exist, so we can never empirically show what the “proper” counterfactual is.  Theory helps guide us, but we can also look at other evidence to suggest what the counterfactual is.  If we were experiencing a declining manufacturing base, it should show up in employment numbers.  After all, factories shouldn’t be hiring; they’d be doing replacement hiring, sure, but that’s about it.  Job openings should be fairly low compared to historical trends, layoffs/discharges fairly high.  

Taking a look at employment numbers, we see data inconsistent with the “deindustrialization” argument.  Job openings in manufacturing in August 2024 (latest data as of this writing) were 505,000.  There are half a million job openings in the US right now for manufacturing jobs.  That is down from the post-pandemic rehiring jump, where openings hit 997,000, but well above the pre-pandemic average of 293,000.  Manufacturers in the US need workers and the demand is generally high.  In a deindustralizing economy, one would not expect to see increasing demand for manufacturing workers.

The trend in job openings is interesting too.  Other than two declines from the 2001 and 2008 recessions, the trend in job openings is generally rising.  The only non-recession exception is in 2018 when the Trump trade war started.  Odd that…if free trade was deindustrializing and tariffs were industrializing, one would not expect to see job openings fall as tariffs go into effect.

Likewise, layoffs are very low.  Indeed, since 2001, firm layoffs have been generally steady at a very low level.  We do not see any mass layoffs (recessions excepted).  Indeed, during the “China Shock,” the number of people laid off fell, not rose.  If the decline in manufacturing during this time was due to China, we should have expected to see layoffs increase.  Indeed, a falling number of layoffs suggests that the decline in manufacturing at the time was likely due heavily to attrition (people quitting/retiring and not being replaced).  

One final note: wages for manufacturing (production and nonsupervisory) workers have generally been rising faster than inflation, suggesting real wages have been rising.  Again, if the demand for manufacturing workers was falling due to deindustrialization, we should see wages fall, not rise.  

Putting these employment figures together, we can start to see a counterfactual emerge.  US manufacturing production has hit a ceiling, yes.  But it is not due to trade.  It appears more due to the fact that firms cannot hire!  They want employees, they need employees, they are willing to pay for employees, but they cannot get them (for whatever reason).  The data do not show a deindustrializing country.  It shows an economy still industrialized but hitting some constraints.  Rather than burdening US manufacturing with more constraints via tariffs, “Buy American,” and other restrictions, policymakers should explore why manufacturing jobs are hard to fill.  

In short, protectionism will not industrialize a deindustrializing base.  It’ll deindustrialize an industrializing base.  And all because they have the wrong counterfactual.

 


Jon Murphy is an assistant professor of economics at Nicholls State University.

READER COMMENTS

Craig
Dec 5 2024 at 10:42am

First off, the government data is itself suspect. The government can give itself whatever report card it wants but bottom line no administration wants to preside over the decline of manufacturing. Straight up, its propaganda.

The link from your post:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO

You describe this as: “while off the highs set in 2008” well for sure that’s one way to put it would be to describe that as 10+ years of a whole lotta sideways. While I’m busy cueing up Dierks Bentley over here, I’d say that AT BEST that’s a decade+ malaise.

Of course it does include utilities: “cover manufacturing, mining, and electric and gas utilities

So for sure the population has grown and electrical/utilities will grow along with that population growth, but the graph is STILL sideways.

And that’s assuming you give the government any deference at all. You probably shouldn’t, they’re probably lying, its what they do, its their specialty even.

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 11:16am

Note I explain the sideways.

Regardless, sideways does not equal drop.

Regardless, if the government data is lying, then it could be rising too! (Note that private data says the same as government data).

Craig
Dec 5 2024 at 11:40am

Its a tautology if 2008 is the high then the number today is lower and hence a drop. I’m being GENROUS describing it as sideways when its not QUITE sideways but the government supplied number IS lower.

“if the government data is lying, then it could be rising too!”

No because they don’t have an incentive to UNDER-report. They might underreport CRIME stats or their score if they’re playing golf.

 

Thomas L Hutcheson
Dec 5 2024 at 11:02am

My issue with “deindustrialization” is that it seldom answers the “so what?” question.  Why should I care if a certain group of economic activities, manufacturing/mining  have declined absolutely or relatively?

My other issue is that generally the remedy proposed for “deindustrialization” is restricting imports of manufactured goods whihc does not recognize a) restrictions subsidize imports of anything that is not restricted and b) tax exports.

Jon Murphy
Dec 6 2024 at 9:07am

Agreed.  I think there is a good answer to “so what,” but that would be a bit much for a blog post.

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 12:34pm

Its a tautology if 2008 is the high then the number today is lower and hence a drop.

No, sir. It’s called cherry-picking.

o because they don’t have an incentive to UNDER-report.

The election of Trump twice and Biden once proves otherwise. There is a very strong incentive to make the manufacturing sector weaker than it actually is.

Regardless, and this is the last I will say on the matter, you need to do more than say “I wish the numbers were fake, therefor they must be” to convince me.

Daniel Kuehn
Dec 5 2024 at 12:51pm

I think people mean the decline in manufacturing employment, right? You show a lot of labor market statistics here except, of course, employment itself! That’s substantially down from the 1980s which I always thought was the trend people were talking about.

The other side of hiring is separations, not layoffs. Layoffs are just one of several types of separation. As workforces age, retirements can contribute to separations without being backfilled by new hires. Hiring still exceeds separations in manufacturing (hence recent net growth and “reshoring” talk), but not at a rate that gets us anywhere near 1980s levels (and forget the 1980s, we haven’t even made it to pre-Great Recession levels). And of course, a lot of hiring and separations is churn between firms, not exit from the industry.

So as to your title question I think that answers “what deindustrialization?” Manufacturing employment is substantially down. Productivity is up, so wages are up. These are structural changes so not necessarily bad, but it seems pretty real to me!

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 1:08pm

I think people mean the decline in manufacturing employment, right? You show a lot of labor market statistics here except, of course, employment itself! That’s substantially down from the 1980s which I always thought was the trend people were talking about.

A point of this post is that the decline in manufacturing employment does not indicate deindustrialization.

Daniel Kuehn
Dec 5 2024 at 1:32pm

So by that you just mean you want to use the word a little differently? I’m not a linguistic presecriptivist, so more power to you but because I’m not a linguistic prescriptivist it always seems a bit quixotic to try to change the way people use words. There was a big shift of manufacturing out of the midwest. That regional change is talked about deindustrialization of specific communities. And then the decline in manufacturing employment is discussed. Those two things seem like real things, right?

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 2:50pm

So by that you just mean you want to use the word a little differently?

No sir.  I am using the term in its standard use.  Those who only claim it is a reduction in employment are the ones using it incorrectly.

I further dispute that they only mean a reduction in employment.  For example, JD Vance and Donald Trump often complain that nothing is made domestically any more.

Daniel Kuehn
Dec 5 2024 at 3:55pm

I don’t have a problem using decline in output as a measure of deindustrialization, I just think it doesn’t make any sense to say people are wrong considering employment has declined, and notable you don’t even share the employment statistics to acknowledge why people are talking about it!

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 4:03pm

 I just think it doesn’t make any sense to say people are wrong considering employment has declined

It doesn’t make sense because the definition of deindustrialization is not that just employment is declining.  Nor is that the argument they are making.

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 4:10pm

Look, I am not discussing the overall employment statistic because it is irrelevant.  When one claims a nation is deindustralizing, that is a very specific claim.  That is the claim I am addressing.

If one claimed that employment in manufacturing is down, then there is no “there” there.  That’s not controversial.  But that is not the claim made!  The claim made is that manufacturing is down because of deindustralization.  That is the topic of this post.  I’d thank you to comment on that rather than an irrelevant topic.

Don Boudreaux
Dec 5 2024 at 8:09pm

“Deindustrialization” clearly means, and is meant to convey, loss of industry, reduction of industrial output, or shrinkage of industrial capacity – none of which has occurred in the U.S. The commonsense meaning of the term “deindustrialization” is not ‘loss of the use of a particular kind of input’ used in industry, even if that input is labor.

When protectionists warn of the alleged “deindustrialization of America,” they obviously mean to conjure images of America no longer “making things” (which is what Trump actually said during the 2016 campaign). Someone can try to excuse Trump & Co. by asserting that what they really mean by “deindustrialization” is the decline in industrial employment, but such a move fails. If that’s what they mean, then they inject into the conversation an utterly misleading meaning of “deindustrialization.” Only a simpleton would take this term to mean “loss of jobs in industry” rather than “a fall industrial output or capacity.”

Daniel Kuehn
Dec 6 2024 at 8:58am

As noted above if this just boils down to different definitions, fine. But even in that case it seems really strange to report a litany of labor market indicators but not employment at self or even to acknowledge that that is what many people have in mind. I don’t understand the choice.

Daniel Kuehn
Dec 6 2024 at 8:59am

*employment itself

Jon Murphy
Dec 6 2024 at 9:01am

Dan-

I strongly encourage you to read my piece far more carefully.

Jon Murphy
Dec 6 2024 at 9:13am

Look-

It is, as a factual matter, incorrect to claim that people mean “deindustralization” to mean only that employment has declined.  The claim, and what I am addressing here, is that manufacturing employment has declined because of deindustralization.

It is not a matter of differing definitions.  I am addressing the claim they make.

Folks are making a causal claim.  I am addressing that causal claim.  If it was merely a definitional claim, then there’d be no reason for a blog post.  A link to the dictionary would suffice.

Richard W. Fulmer
Dec 6 2024 at 6:46pm

The country’s manufacturing “center of mass” has moved south, away from states with high taxes and heavy regulatory burdens and without right-to-work protections. Applying a label of “deindustrialization” to the shift serves only to obscure cause and effect.

Alan Goldhammer
Dec 5 2024 at 4:09pm

Shouldn’t the question be reframed?  The issue is not deindustrialization but what is being manufactured in the US.  I just started reading “How the World Ran Out of Everything,” by Peter Goodman that covers the supply chain disruptions during the Covid years of 2020-2022.  So much manufacturing had been off shored that there were significant problems in a lot of industries.  The book features an entrepreneur in Mississippi who comes up with a nifty toy idea but cannot get it made in America (one potential manufacturer told him it would be too expensive for his company to make it and it could not meet the price point).  He has to go to China for manufacturing and the product is supposed to be delivered in late 2020.  You can guess what happened.

Of course there are a lot of reasons that this happened but just because statistics show there is a vibrant manufacturing base in the US only tells a small part of the story.

Jon Murphy
Dec 5 2024 at 4:12pm

That’s fine and good, but a different issue than deindustralization.

(As an aside, my coauthor and I address the issues with that line of argumentation in our forthcoming book)

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