Many of you know that I have a second blog entitled “TheMoneyIllusion.” Yesterday, I concluded that blog and started a replacement, entitled The Pursuit of Happiness:
URL: scottsumner.substack.com/
Speaking of happiness, here is a question to consider:
What are the public policies that you oppose even though you believe that they would make the world a happier place in the long run?
I am not interested in unrealistic hypothetical policies involving fanciful creatures such as “utility monsters”; I’m interested in knowing which actual real world policies you oppose despite the fact that you believe those policies would make the world a happier place.
Perhaps you’ll find an example of an actual policy that I should also oppose, which will convince me to abandon my utilitarianism.
PS. Please don’t tell me that this is the wrong question. It’s the question that interests me.
PPS. A Straussian reading of this post is that utilitarianism, properly understood, does not provide clear answers when deciding which public policies are best. We are like ships navigating in a dense fog. (The same could be said for Bayesian analysis.)
Here’s a picture of Jeremy Bentham:
READER COMMENTS
Craig
Sep 2 2024 at 2:39pm
“What are the public policies that you oppose even though you believe that they would make the world a happier place in the long run?”
Universal health care but to be honest I genuinely equivocate as to whether it would make the US a happier place in the long run.
Craig
Sep 2 2024 at 2:49pm
I suppose I should say why > equivocate. The reason is because I started my business on a foundation of spousal health benefits. If I were single in a job providing benefits I don’t know if I would’ve taken the risk. Indeed I’m inclined to think I wouldn’t have, but I weigh this against blue state taxation and in the face of blue state taxation as I experienced it I would NOT start a business (of course that taxation did NOT provide universal health care either)
Jonathan S
Sep 2 2024 at 3:54pm
Here are three that I can think of. Hopefully, these don’t come across as unrealistic hypotheticals as natalism, abortion, and factory farming all consider controversial ethical questions.
(1) An anti-natalist could argue that human life has negative value. Starvation, theft, slavery, murder, etc. are rampant throughout most societies historically and lead to unhappiness for most people. The utilitarian conclusion would be to put policies in place to minimize the human population.
(2) An anti-abortionist could argue that human life has positive value. Women who are denied abortion don’t appear to have long-run happiness issues and their children, including those with birth defects, are happy that they were born. The utilitarian conclusion would be to put policies in place to maximize the number of fetuses carried to term to increase overall human happiness.
(3A) An anti-factory farming activist could argue that animals are unhappy in this condition. The utilitarian conclusion would be to put policies in place to minimize the number of factory farming operations to reduce animal unhappiness.
(3B) An animal natalist could argue that animals are happy to be alive, no matter what conditions they live in. Factory farming allows more animals to be alive than otherwise. The utilitarian conclusion would be to encourage factory farming to maximize the total number of living animals that are simply happy to be alive.
Should people be allowed to have children at all? Should people be allowed to get an abortion? Should factory farming be allowed? These all seem like important ethical questions, but utilitarian policy isn’t the tool I would use to answer them.
Scott Sumner
Sep 2 2024 at 4:10pm
Those are very good hypotheticals. I’m somewhat agnostic on optimal population size, and so I’m a bit skeptical of highly interventionist public policies in this area. I don’t know if farm animals would prefer never to have lived at all. I suppose it probably depends on how badly treated they are, but again I’m a bit agnostic on that issue. I lean toward the view we should treat them better.
steve
Sep 3 2024 at 5:37pm
On #2 I have had patients and our therapists report many more, who have killed themselves when they were forced by family to carry to term when they did not wish to do so. There are also lots of women who carry to term when they dont really want a child hoping that it will help a struggling marriage. It seldom works. There are also lots of times when women dont think they can afford another child but things work out and they are happy it did.
Then there are the kids. Seems pretty clear that if you work with kids a lot that there are an awful lot of parents who had kids they really didnt want and/or were not prepared for.
Steve
Pierre Lemieux
Sep 2 2024 at 4:23pm
Scott: Your question, of course, is a big and important one. It is certainly not the wrong question. I like your PPS. In order to focus on what, I think, is the gist of the issue, let me make only three related points :
(1) Focussing on utility monsters and individuals: Utility monsters are not really fanciful. Many individuals never have enough of redistribution or privileges from the state. And if we want to speak of “actual real world policies [anti-utilitarians] oppose despite the fact that [they] believe those policies would make the world a happier place,” the presence of utility monsters does not seem to me less realistic than to make the world happier by coercively redistributing utility from some individuals to others. Indeed, the very expression “make the world happier” seems designed to hide the fact that the world is made of individuals, who are the only ones who can experience more or less happiness.
(2) The arbitrariness of utility calculations for other individuals: As illustrated by Jonathan above, my thinking that a policy maximizes utility or social welfare (assuming that the expression has any ascertainable meaning) is just my say-so against the say-so of those who don’t agree. This is an argument (unchallengeable in my view) at the basis of Anthony de Jasay’s thought.
(3) The Buchanan-Tullock substitute: The question in a simple form is really, I suggest, What is the general principle that should guide any policy decision? There is no theoretically-coherent nor practically-applicable utility principle that can help us decide whether or not it is good to (coercively) shift utility from one individual to another. The genius of Buchanan and Tullock’s The Calculus of Consent (1962) has been to suggest a radically different principle: any policy should be consistent with some general rule(s) that each and every individual consents to because it has higher benefits than costs for him. For sure, the principle is abstract, but it is not more abstract nor more difficult to apply than the utility principle.
It took me literally decades to understand all that. I do recommend that you take the red pill! Perhaps the Buchanan-Tullock principle is not inconsistent with rule-utilitarianism à la Hayek—I am not sure. (Anthony de Jasay uses the same principle of individual consent to show that the state is essentially a redistribution machine run by its beneficiaries against the exploited. That’s admittedly a more difficult pill to swallow.)
Scott Sumner
Sep 2 2024 at 5:46pm
“For sure, the principle is abstract, but it is not more abstract nor more difficult to apply than the utility principle.”
That’s exactly what I have trouble seeing. I don’t see it as being any more persuasive than the utility principle.
Pierre Lemieux
Sep 3 2024 at 9:41am
Scott: As an analogy, consider two individuals trading. Which principle is easier to apply: utility (each individual compares his utility with that of the other party) or veto (each individual has a veto on the transaction)? The first one is not only impossible to apply but is invalid.
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:24pm
Yes, I can see where that principle might be simpler. But I don’t see where it’s obviously better.
nobody.really
Sep 4 2024 at 1:38pm
I know Scott Sumner warrned us away from this topic, so I’ll try to be brief:
1: Some alleged utility monsters experience LOTS of utility, and thus suck up all the resources in the pursuit of global maximization. I think economics provides reasonable grounds to believe in diminishing marginal returns–and thus, provides reasonable grounds to doubt the exsitence of high-experiencing utility monsters.
2. On the other hand, John Rawls exorts us to organize policy to promote the welfare of the least well-off–creating the possiblity of the NEGATIVE utility monster sucking up resources in the effort to fill a black hole. I question how many people who experience extreme negative utility remain in the population, given the widespread availability of suicide. There are many contexts in which people seeking to maximize their utility will exercise their freedom of exit. But more generally, we rarely design public policy to focus on the needs of one individual. (That’s called private policy.) We tend to focus on the needs of a target group (say, the lowest decile or quintile or quarter or half or….) Focusing on the needs of a single individual will provide an unlikely strategy for optimizing the aggregate utility of a group.
David Henderson
Sep 2 2024 at 5:02pm
I’ve been scratching my head thinking about this–maybe not long enough–but I can’t think of such a policy.
The ones I think of tend to be ones that would make me happier–such as banning nose rings. But it’s not hard to imagine that such a ban would make some people, especially young people, much sadder while making people like me only a little happier.
Scott Sumner
Sep 2 2024 at 5:51pm
Rarely does this thought experiment cause me to change my mind. In most areas, I think libertarian type policies are also best from a utilitarian perspective. But it would be an odd coincidence if that were always true. Thus mandatory seatbelt laws have always seemed to me to be a likely exception. They are a bit annoying, but seem to save a lot of lives. So that might be one area where I’ve changed my mind.
David Henderson
Sep 2 2024 at 6:27pm
Ah, good point.
That reminds me of one I had forgotten. I taught a Regulation/Public Policy class for undergrad majors at Santa Clara University in the 1980-81 academic year. I had students do papers on various regulations. One of them did one on helmet laws for motorcycles. He didn’t need to any regression because the raw data showed that the lives saved due to helmet laws were huge. It took away one of my main consequentialist arguments against helmet laws, which was that you would lose some of your peripheral vision and road awareness. That might have been true but, if so, it was rounding error.
There was one negative effect for the rest of society: the supply of kidneys and hearts from young men dried up.
Andrew_FL
Sep 2 2024 at 5:11pm
There is no such thing as “world happiness” so I do not believe any policy raises or lowers “total world happiness”
Todd Ramsey
Sep 2 2024 at 7:16pm
I oppose banning Greta Thunberg and similar doomsayers from public discourse, but I think doing so would make the world a happier place in the long run.
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:26pm
I don’t agree. It would require repealing the 1st amendment, and I think doing so would make things worse off. In other words, I’m a “rules utilitarian”
Todd Ramsey
Sep 5 2024 at 9:36am
Your point is well taken.
nobody.really
Sep 4 2024 at 5:02am
I dunno.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found, I’ve got a little list of society offenders who might well be underground, and who never would be missed….
Richard W. Fulmer
Sep 2 2024 at 7:38pm
Banning alcohol and recreational drugs would make the world a much happier place, but only if the bans were effective and came with no unwanted consequences. The problem, of course, is that, in practice, such bans are ineffective, foster organized crime and institutional corruption, and create incentives to develop more concentrated drugs that are easier to smuggle, but that are also more addictive and more lethal.
Such laws also create precedent for other intrusions into civil life.
Unfortunately, outside of Harry Potter’s wizarding world, a cure’s unintended side effects are often worse than the disease.
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 1:17pm
Banning alcohol and recreational drugs would make the world a much happier place
really? then why are people voluntarily doing alcohol and recreational drugs? to be “less happy”?
But if people voluntarily want to be “less happy”, who on earth are we to force them into their unwanted happiness?
The whole idea of “forcing people to be happy the way I (in my infallible omniscient) see their happiness and against their own wishes, seems a little bit pretentious and definitely paternalistic to me
And if your point is that people who voluntarily do alcohol and recreational drugs increase in happiness is more than compensated by the decrease in happiness of their family and friends, then you still need to measure and add the happiness and unhappiness of different people. An impossible task as clearly illustrated by your example.
[This was, in fact, the utilitarian idea behind the prohibition. The consequences were a disaster. The utilitarian dream does produce mosters]
Richard Fulmer
Sep 3 2024 at 4:19pm
No doubt the people made homeless by their addictions are deliriously happy – especially the people who have had limbs amputated because of their drug use and who are still injecting drugs into their stumps.
But even though I’m a “monster” for wishing for an end to such “heaven on earth,” you might note that I was clear that I believe that prohibition would do more harm than good.
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 7:44pm
Well Richard, medical mistakes also have terrible consequences and can result in amputated limbs and that is not a reason to ban medical procedures. This is also the case with driving cars or producing energy in a nuclear power plant.
The “dramatic approach” you have chosen is, no doubt, moving, but fails to consider that the recreational use of alcohol and drugs is for the most part, well, recreational.
And no, you (my dear monster) did say: “Banning alcohol and recreational drugs would make the world a much happier place“. Your caveats were (only) related to the ability (or lack of it) to implement this policy “effectively and with no unwanted consequences“. My point is that the policy is paternalistic and lacks respect for the individual’s right to pursue their own happiness (in their own terms, not yours) even if the policy is, somehow, implemented effectively and with no unwanted consequences.
[By the way, this two caveats of you will rule out every single public policy. Including even policing the streets (which also causes amputated limbs or worse)]
Richard Fulmer
Sep 3 2024 at 9:26pm
I don’t think that policing the streets has led to organized crime, institutional corruption, or the development of concentrated forms of jaywalking. But if you want to try and make the case, be my guest.
Kevin Dick
Sep 2 2024 at 8:19pm
I think you need to distinguish between rule and act utilitarianism. In general, this is really a question of the level of abstraction at which we should carry out utilitarian calculations.
So there are a whole class of “policies” that one might want in isolation, but for the fact they violate a higher level rule. “Donald Trump specifically should not be allowed to lie or mislead.” might well increase utility. However, it erodes the higher level rule of, “People should be allowed to speak freely except under the following very limited conditions that apply to everyone.”
I doubt there are any utility increasing policies you would oppose other than on the grounds they violate a higher level rule that increases utility even more when applied broadly.
You might then face an argument as to whether that’s actually the case. I could see someone potentially convincing you of such a thing, but it result in either a revision to the higher level rule or a revision in your opinion about the right level of abstraction for rules in that domain.
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:28pm
See my reply to Todd, above.
nobody.really
Sep 4 2024 at 5:29am
Still, it might be worth it.
In Liar, Liar, Jim Carrey plays Fletcher, a lawyer who suddenly finds himself magically incapable of lying. This creates professional challenges–as in one instance, when he’s trying to get a delay in trial:
In short, a mechanism that would prohibit people from lying or misleading might impinge upon autonomy—but might also create a powerful tool for distinguishing truth from error. People might willingly surrender some autonomy to obtain this new power.
I know this is precisely the kind of discussion Scott Sumner was hoping to provoke. You’re welcome.
Lizard Man
Sep 2 2024 at 10:24pm
In the context of the US, most things that reduce labor or hours worked would likely increase happiness, but is something I oppose. Higher marginal tax rates, mandated paid vacation, etc. People would respond by working less, spending less, and investing more time and energy on relationships with friends and family. However, such a change would make the US a place much less focused on achievement and more focused on enjoying life.
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 1:47pm
most things that reduce labor or hours worked would likely increase happiness,
Would they?
Imports from China, immigration, and AI are widely credited (rightly or not) with reducing labor and hours worked for Americans.
It doesn’t seem that these developments are increasing “American Global Happiness”. Not a lot of political support out there to further these trends.
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:29pm
Interesting. I don’t think those things would make us happier. If they would, I’d support them.
Ilverin
Sep 2 2024 at 10:54pm
Mandatory heroin? Everyone has to do a fair bit of heroin, the dose size subject to health constraints and some work productivity constraints? Maybe the heroom dose is taken fter work is over?
One mandatory childbirth per childless woman? Parents seem to have more life satisfaction.
Mandatory marriage? If you aren’t married at 30, you get paired up? Conceivably this might work if ai got good enough at making good matches.
Weekly work hour caps? If economic growth doesn’t lead to happiness, then weekly work hour caps ensure that there’s more leisure time.
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:30pm
I definitely don’t think those things would make us happier.
nobody.really
Sep 5 2024 at 12:08am
Similarly, Pierre Lemieux exhorted Scott Sumner to “take the red pill!” This is a reference to The Matrix (1999), a film depicting a classic phenominological question about whether we could tell if we were all just brains in a vat experiencing manipulated senory inputs.
In the film, virually all humans more-or-less happily as brains in vats. The hero is given the opportunity to leave this illusion–to trade happiness and delusion for autonomy and understanding. [Insert Garden of Eden allusion here.]
Perhaps that film best illustrates the choice between promoting “happiness” and promoting other values.
robc
Sep 3 2024 at 12:01am
i cannot think of a specific example but a concept. Coase argued that the law on property rights should minimize transaction costs allowing coasean bargaining to be more likely to occur.
Generally he is probably right, but it strikes my deontological senses as wrong in some cases.
Mactoul
Sep 3 2024 at 2:12am
Isn’t this asking for impossible calculations? How can I ever know or have rational grounds to believe what is likely to make the world a happier place. Indeed, I don’t know what happiness of the world means.
Pierre Lemieux
Sep 3 2024 at 9:55am
I think you have a good point, Mactoul. (You’ve made a lot of progress!) An economist would reply that “happier world” can be modeled as Pareto optimality. But a (utilitarian) welfare economist would add that this means Pareto optimality on the utility frontier, which can be reached only with (1) continuous lump-sum redistribution of income given (2) a known social welfare function, a double impossibility. (See Paul A. Samuelson, “Social Indifference Curves,” Quarterly Journal of Economics 70-1 [February 1956]; and Francis M. Bator, “The Simple Analytics of Welfare Maximization, American Economic Review [March 1957].)
john hare
Sep 3 2024 at 3:37am
I read this post last night and let it simmer until this morning. The problem with the things I can think of are that I am not certain that they would be correct. Draconian policies that I have thought of could have serious seen and unseen consequences. Certainly moral consequences. Also, there would be problems with implementation that would destroy the intent. Not to mention my lack of detailed knowledge on each subject.
Euthanize certain classes of criminal.
Criminal investigations of officials that impose/enforce damaging regulations.
Automatic investigations of fraudulent medical billings.
Advanced lie detectors in courtrooms.
K-12 grades by ability and not age.
Legalize cheap private rental housing construction.
And so on for a bunch of half backed thoughts that I would not wish to see mandated.
robc
Sep 3 2024 at 11:45am
I see no reason at all to oppose your last two items.
john hare
Sep 3 2024 at 6:36pm
Perhaps I mean that something I think would be good could easily turn out as bad. Supporting them without detailed knowledge about implementation is risky. What I would like is for various jurisdictions to do trials of concepts to spot the flaws and needed improvements. How housing is implemented is probably more important that any other factor. When a city can spend more annually per homeless person than my income, I think any policy should be suspect.
I read somewhere about some group grading doctors and thought that was great. Then it was revealed that some doctors simply quit taking risky cases because it would damage their score. Not great.
Dylan
Sep 3 2024 at 12:03pm
I’m going to answer a slightly different question, but hopefully doesn’t drift too far into hypotheticals or utility monster type of theoreticals.
I generally support open borders. I like to think that this is welfare enhancing to society in the short, medium, and long run. However, the last few years tell me I’ve misjudged how much people dislike migration, particularly when it is from people that look and act differently than they do. I grant that it is possible that an open borders policy would in aggregate lead to less happiness in the world, but even if this was shown to be absolutely true, I would still support the policy.
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 1:31pm
Don’t worry too much Dylan, the discomfort caused by open border policies on some of us, spoiled westerners, for the most part for imaginary or easy-to-solve concerns don’t even start to remotely compare with the damage caused to third-world victims by the anti-immigration policies in place.
I am not an utilitarian, but if I were …
Kevin Corcoran
Sep 3 2024 at 12:14pm
It’s an interesting question worth pondering, and I’ll probably want to ponder it further, but at the moment the first thing that leaps to mind is banning social media platforms like Instagram or Facebook. It seems likely to me that social media causes a net loss of happiness. Now, I might be wrong about whether outright eliminating those platforms would be a net gain for happiness in the long run. But if ironclad evidence was suddenly available that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the elimination of social media would have a net positive impact on happiness, and a large one at that, I’d still be opposed to it.
Kevin Corcoran
Sep 3 2024 at 12:47pm
Also, and I’m not sure if this is relevant, while I’m not a utilitarian I wouldn’t describe myself as an anti-utilitarian either. Maybe non-utilitarian would be more accurate? But even that doesn’t strike me as quite right. I do think utility matters, and I do think utilitarian (or consequentialist considerations more broadly) also matter. I just don’t see either as the end-all-be-all. So what would you call someone who thinks utility matters, but it isn’t all that matters? Anti-utilitarian seems a bit too strong of a description, but I’m no branding expert.
nobody.really
Sep 4 2024 at 11:44pm
This is a major theme of Jonathan Haidt’s The Anxious Generation (2024)—especially for the benefit of teen girls.
According to Haidt, men and women engage in aggression with equal frequency, but using different methods: Men tend to use face-to-face physical aggression; women favor malicious gossip. A kid who faces male bullies at school will suffer, but will find relief when he gets home. A kid who faces female bullies will find relief NEVER—because social media never sleeps.
Haidt found a curious challenge of network economics: Asking kids how much money it would take to get them to give up their cellphones, many could barely think of an acceptable sum. But asked how much it would cost to get them AND THEIR PEERS give up their cellphones, and now the kids are willing to PAY for the privilege. They feel the need to carry cellphones as a form of self-defense. If everyone would disarm, they would all be happier.
(Network economics poses challenges for individualists. Consider the scenario described above: We observe kids clinging to their cellphones. By the theory of revealed preference, this proves that they love having cellphones, right? Right—relative to the option of unilateral disarmament. But not relative to the option of mutual disarming. Yet mutual disarming requires a collective, not just an individual, action. If you don’t acknowledge the relevance of groups, you may not be able to grasp the relevance of this option.)
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 1:04pm
What are the public policies that you oppose even though you believe that they would make the world a happier place in the long run?
None. Because I don’t believe any public policy will make the world a happier place in the long run (also, if I recall it right it has been established that we will all be dead in the long run)
Even worse, I don’t really believe you can measure “world happiness” (what is the metric here?). So this is really a question that only make sense for utilitarians. But, if you are a utilitarian the right answer can only be “none” (you are supposed to support all policies that increase “global happiness” … this very scary unmeasurable metric!).
And “none” has also to be the answer if you are a non-utilitarian (for the reasons explained).
It seems that you have come up with a question on which utilitarians and non-utilitarians necessarily have to agree.
Jose Pablo
Sep 3 2024 at 1:24pm
On second thought, any Pareto-efficient public policy will increase the world’s happiness.
But, by definition, I don’t have any rational ground to oppose any Pareto-efficient public policy. Any utilitarian has also to agree with that.
Lots of common ground after all … it seems
David S
Sep 3 2024 at 1:21pm
Drug legislation is something that I’m ambivalent about—but I go on both directions on that. Some days I feel that there should be more legalization, but the terrible impact of addiction hits hard everywhere I turn. On the other hand, why should there be prohibitions on heroin when alcohol is mostly legal?
Scott Sumner
Sep 3 2024 at 8:37pm
Everyone, It’s hard to respond to all of the points, many of which are good ones. But here are a few general responses:
I’m a rules utilitarian, which is why I oppose banning even obnoxious speech.
I worry that banning some harmful products like drugs and alcohol would have bad side effects, even if the world would be better off without those things.
Thus, I’m OK with banning cigarette ads, as I don’t worry about things like black market effects for that sort of regulation.
My basic point is that if one has an expansive long run view of happiness, it’s not clear why you’d support any policy that you thought made the world more miserable.
Rajat
Sep 3 2024 at 11:27pm
Where a policy involves lots of government spending, it is hard to know what counterfactual to use. Perhaps it is just easiest to assume lower taxes? On that basis, I think tertiary education subsidies are a good example. I oppose them because I think they mostly waste public and private funds on signalling (as Brian Caplan as argued), without doing a lot to boost economic growth. However, while they probably lead to some young people feeling and getting pressured to go to university when it doesn’t really suit them, I think many or most young people who go to university seem to enjoy the experience, even if it leaves them with personal debts (as well as taxpayer debt) – I certainly did. On the basis that we are more capable of enjoying ourselves and creating happy memories when we are young than when we are older, transferring – and promoting the transfer of – resources from taxpayers in general and people’s older selves to young people may promote overall happiness in the long run. Nevertheless, if left to me, I would get rid of them and ‘force’ people to confront their futures more soberly earlier than they can afford to these days. But perhaps that’s just me imposing my asocial and highly-focussed preferences on a society that in general doesn’t share them.
dmm
Sep 4 2024 at 6:55am
Death penalty for anyone who creates more negative externalities than positive.
Not measurable, you say? Neither is world happiness (which I consider meaningless anyway).
Scott Sumner
Sep 4 2024 at 5:56pm
Don’t you think that would make life a bit stressful?
dmm
Sep 5 2024 at 10:46am
Haha, true. But “a bit” of stress can actually make people happier if they can easily deal with it. I think this policy would actually increase people’s consideration of others, which would make most people a lot happier in the long run.
nobody.really
Sep 5 2024 at 10:40pm
I note two types of utility monsters: If your goal is to maximize social utility, then people who are very efficient at turning resources into utility (e.g., really enthusiastic people?) might suck up all the resources. In contrast, if your goal is the maximize the welfare of the least well off, then people who are wildly INefficient at turning resources into utility (e.g., Debbie Downers?) would suck up all the resources.
To manage this second type of utility monster, abandon the effort to maximize the utility of the least worse off; instead, maximize the total utility of those in the lowest decile (or quintile or whatever; pick a target group). If pandering to one or two especially bad-off people would have the effect of lowering overall utility for the entire decile, the solution would be to “kill off” (either literally—or figuratively by excluding them from the utility maximization exercise) the utility monsters, thereby leaving more resources for the benefit of everyone else in the lowest decile.
Thus, a “death penalty” may serve a useful purpose in optimizing utility.
nobody.really
Sep 4 2024 at 11:55am
Consider the Steve Landsberg/Thanos hypotheticals:
1: Thanos has defeated your group, and now imposes a punishment that everyone in your group must face at least a 50% chance of immediate (though painless) death based on a coin flip. But he gives to you specifically the responsibility to administer the coin-flipping and structure the risks; if you decline this role, EVERYONE dies. Thus, you must choose whether to flip the coin separately for each individual (meaning that the outcome for each individual is uncorrelated with any other individual). Or one coin flip for each household. For each family. Or each city or region or nation….
2: Your sister and her spouse come before you to administer their fate. They tell you that they want you to flip coins for each of them independently, to maximize the chance that at least one of them will survive to carry on the memory of the other. You know that they ADORE each other and, due to infirmities, are heavily dependent upon each other to get through activities of daily living. You suspect that if only one of them dies, the survivor will never be able to cope with the loss—emotionally or practically. You have the option to secretly ignore their preference and flip one coin for the both of them: If the coin comes up heads, they will both live and rejoice in that fact; if tails, they will both die instantly without having to confront this fate (or you). But this action requires you to bear moral responsibility for the outcome. (Ok, SOME responsibility; Thanos bears most of the responsibility.) What do you do?
2a: Same as hypothetical 2, except they ask you to help maximize the chance that one of them survives to carry on their faith/worldview rather than just the memory of a beloved spouse. Same answer?
3: If you see the wisdom of deciding the fate of a couple based on a single coin-flip, would the same rationale apply to flipping one coin to decide the fate of the human race? This strategy would seem perfectly designed to minimize trauma. (Recall Tom Lehrer’s logic: “If the bomb that falls on you gets your friends and neighbors too, there’ll be nobody left behind to grieve!”).
Or do you feel some obligation to disaggregate the risk in order to increase the chance that the human race survives? If so, to WHOM do you owe this obligation? What does this feeling say about individualism vs. collectivism?
4: How would we model the utility-optimization formula? I guess we’d need to quantify the burden of living with enormous trauma; the joy of surviving beyond trauma; the burden of instant, painless death (or would that even enter into the formula?); and the utility to be derived by future generations. I surmise that the utility-optimizing strategy in the short run would be to bet the entire human race on a single coin-flip, giving equal weight to a world in which no one dies instantly and a world in which everyone dies instantly. But if we take the utility of future generations into account, and if those generations utiltimately swamp all other factors, then the risk-disaggregation strategy may be optimal.
Even so, how much disaggregation? One coin flip per family/kinship network/nation might be optimal, because people would tend to feel less grief about the deaths of strangers than the death of kin/fellow countryman. But killing off entire social groups would reduce genetic diversity. And the fewer the coin flips, the greater the odds that you get an unexpected run of tails, thereby eliminating the human race (or eliminating a larger portion than anticipated).
Modelers, start your engines….
Jim Glass
Sep 5 2024 at 12:51am
Providing upon-demand universal free marijuana, Xanax, serotonin boosters and other happiness drugs as now exist and may be developed with govt money. Don’t know about the long-term effects, but if they start to slip we can always up the dosage.
This isn’t a smart-ass answer. Other than the above, no such economic or govt policy is possible, I’d say, making the whole concept futile. Effective economic and govt policy is about increasing welfare, not “happiness”. And increasing welfare does not increase absolute level of happiness. If it did, with the immense increase in welfare over history, or even just the last 100 years, today we’d all be spending our time dancing jigs of joy. This is a non-trivial observation considering how many people complain of falling happiness as welfare objectively increases – and who actually blame rising prosperity, and who put responsibility for happiness on the economy and government.
Though they may have a point. In fact, increasing welfare too much might make people unhappier. Happiness is hedonic, people have an inborn natural level of it and strongly tend to return to it in time (absent conscious intervention) even after stark events as winning the lottery or losing a limb. Which doesn’t leave much room for policy effects. But…
The best general take from psychologists is that “happiness” (tough to define) results from experiencing repeated small daily ‘victories’ and accomplishments towards achieving a valued long-term objective. Anecdotally, over my career I’ve known a number of family stories where generation 1 happily worked hard for a lifetime earning countless small victories building a valuable business left to generation 2, rich neurotic kids who miserably burnt through it all. We all know stories like this. Could this happen on a full societal level? (What’s happening here?)
I don’t know about humans, but it sure can with mouse and rat societies. During the Paul Ehrlich ‘over-population terror’ years a number of studies created “utopia environments” for rodents – limitless food, comfort, ‘entertainment’, perfect safety – to study resulting overpopulation. (“Stated goal: To see if a perfect society will flourish”.) Instead, repeatedly, after a short boom the populations crashed while exhibiting all kinds of bizarre behaviors and ‘perversions’, then went extinct. Total death! See Mouse Utopia.
So much for limitless welfare! Today’s explanation is that rodent behavior is directed by a genome that evolved interacting with a challenging environment, change the environment to “utopia” and the genome short circuits fatally. (Hmm … how far away is social media from the African savanna?”)
Anyhow, as to ‘public policies that would make the world a happier place in the long run’, something to add to the calculations?
anonymous
Sep 5 2024 at 12:04pm
Returning humans to a hunter-gatherer existence (waiving away the problems with there being too many people and so on) might improve overall human welfare- impossible to say, but we did evolve for it and many people are happier spending more time outside, getting more exercise, etc. Let’s stipulate for this thought exercise that it would. I would still be against this because it would mean mankind would never unravel the mysteries of the universe. Even if other people don’t care about that as much as I do, etc. I still think that is worth pursuing.
There are other things that could go in this general category- wireheading, genetic changes to make people happy and content, etc.
anonymous
Sep 5 2024 at 12:06pm
As evidence in favor of people liking that lifestyle more (irrelevant to the argument, really) – when American Indians kidnapped whites, they usually loved their new lifestyle and often did not want to go back when rescued. Often they would escape from their white family and go back to the Indians.
jj
Sep 5 2024 at 8:41pm
As a libertarian I oppose banning gambling, but I believe gambling makes the world a worse place. People who enjoy gambling would find equally enjoyable substitutes; most people whose lives are destroyed by it would not find an equally destructive vice.
I don’t make much noise against gambling restrictions, because of all the liberty-depriving laws on the books, these are among the few that do some good.
Ilverin
Sep 10 2024 at 10:39pm
Mandatory organ donation upon death without any religious/spiritual exemptions?
Transplant the organs of those receiving the death penalty? Expand the applicability of the death penalty to reduce the organ shortage?