
There are indications that the US government might force a sale of the Chinese app TikTok to an American firm—perhaps Microsoft. It seems to me that the Australian government has a better solution:
Speaking on Tuesday to this year’s virtual Aspen Security Forum, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison disclosed that his government had reviewed the national security risks associated the Chinese app and found there weren’t any. There is “no evidence,” he said, “that there is a misuse of anyone’s data that has occurred, at least from an Australian perspective.”
That’s also true of the US. But there are numerous technology experts who suggest that there are real risks that TikTok could engage in future mischief, perhaps even trying to influence US politics:
Last year the Guardian reported on leaked documents that detailed how TikTok removed or hid content that mentioned forbidden topics such as the Falun Gong, a spiritual movement banned in China. The result is that some posted videos are not widely available to other users. In effect, TikTok filters out videos that displease the company’s moderators.
TikTok has since said the documents disclosed by the Guardian have been updated and the rules for moderating content vary depending on the country. A Buzzfeed investigation last year found that content about the Hong Kong protests in 2019 was not taken offline, for example.
It’s possible that in its national security review of TikTok, Australia reached a conclusion similar to Buzzfeed’s — that is, there may have been problems before, but the company has taken steps to allow more open use of its product. Even still, there is no guarantee that TikTok won’t change its rules in the future. As Morrison acknowledged, the app’s cord goes back to China.
That’s the risk that the U.S. government is now trying to mitigate. TikTok may conform to Western norms now, as it seeks to expand its market share in places such as the U.S. and Australia. Over time, however, the situation may reverse itself. As TikTok becomes ever more popular among Westerners, their outlook on the world may more closely resemble China’s.
The reason I prefer the Australian approach is that it puts a sword of Damocles over the Chinese firm. Let’s assume that prior to the 2024 presidential election, TikTok starts intervening in ways that favor the preferred candidate of the Chinese Communist Party? Or they use TikTok to spy on the US government. Even though TikTok is owned by a private firm and would probably prefer to stay out of politics, one could imagine the Chinese government forcing some sort of mischief.
In my view, this action would end up being extremely counterproductive, for two reasons. To see why, recall that the behavior of TikTok will be watched closely by the US government, just as Russia’s interference in the 2016 election has led to increased scrutiny over Russia’s use of platforms such as Facebook. So the US government would almost certainly discover their actions. It’s hard to influence 200 million voters in complete secrecy.
Consider what happens if TikTok’s actions are discovered a few weeks before the election:
1. TikTok would be banned from the US, costing Chinese investors many tens of billions of dollars in market capitalization.
2. The scandal would help the most anti-China candidate in the US presidential race.
For these reasons, China would be unlikely to interfere in US politics in such a crude fashion.
Now let’s assume that the US launches a cold war against China, freezing their firms out of the US tech sector. In that case, the first of the two costs above is no longer operative. China has much less to lose from interfering in US politics. But without TikTok would China be able to cause harm to the US? Yes, look at the Russian actions in 2016.
Indeed it’s probably not a coincidence that it was Russia and not China that engaged in widespread interference in US politics during 2016. It’s not that the Chinese are too pure to do so—they interfere in Taiwanese politics, and to a lesser extent in other smaller countries. On the other hand, they have a lot to lose from strong sanctions by the US government, as the US is the largest market for their products. In contrast, Russia exports very little to the US. (Ironically, Australia is at greater risk than the US.)
So perhaps the best way to keep the Chinese government from misbehaving is to allow them to become deeply enmeshed in the US economy, and then use that close relationship as a sword of Damocles. Tell TikTok they can stay as long as they don’t engage in any major mischief.
PS. I say “major mischief”, as every tech company will do a few small things that are objectionable, as when Twitter or Facebook overreact in removing a politically sensitive item.
PPS. The Australian government has already banned Huawei, so their TikTok decision is not motivated by blindness to the Chinese security risk.
READER COMMENTS
Garrett
Aug 5 2020 at 10:22pm
I feel like this is the major point of the post, that increasing trade with China is what will lead to better relations and better outcomes. A Cold War is counterproductive.
Alan Goldhammer
Aug 6 2020 at 9:45am
This whole thing is a total joke. AFAIK, only young people use the app to make videos that they then post. How does this put the US at risk? If I never use TikTok, how am I posing a risk to anybody? I see Facebook has just deployed a TikTok clone and MSFT could do the same thing if they wanted.
This is right out of a Hunter Thompson on drugs story.
robc
Aug 6 2020 at 10:06am
There is a good chance it is a total joke.
There is a small, but not crazy small, chance that the Tik Tok app is sending back clipboard entries (there is controversy over whether that is happening or not), which means it could be harvesting passwords. We know it is harvesting other information, like email addresses and locations, but if it is pulling in passwords, it is a security threat, at least to individual security, maybe not national security.
Scott Sumner
Aug 6 2020 at 12:45pm
How would we know if this is happening?
Alan Goldhammer
Aug 6 2020 at 2:22pm
See if your credit card(s) numbers get stolen.
robc
Aug 6 2020 at 2:36pm
Reverse engineer the code for the app. Don’t you do that in your spare time?
There was a claim from someone that it was doing this. But they havent followed up with any evidence showing it. Another security expert did it also, saying that is wasnt sending any more than most apps do.
I am leaning toward the latter, but wouldn’t be surprised at the former. I have also seen claims that the LinkedIn app is sending clipboard info back.
No idea what is true.
Scott Sumner
Aug 6 2020 at 7:59pm
Thanks.
Alan Goldhammer
Aug 6 2020 at 4:56pm
I forgot to add to my answer above that Pynchon’s ‘Proverbs for Paranoids‘ #3 is very useful in this situation:
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.
“Gravity’s Rainbow”, perhaps his finest book contains all the answers anyone might need.
Dan Lucraft
Aug 6 2020 at 2:54pm
I’m not sure that it is? That hard, I mean. TikTok has complete discretion over which videos are shown to which users, the algorithm is a black box. There’s no way for outsiders to know who sees what.
Who in the US would be in a position to detect a probabilistic 20% boost applied to videos containing particular speech one way or another? How would they be able to conclusively demonstrate it was deliberate rather than the output of the complex and proprietary content-ranking algorithm?
Am I missing some obvious way for US institutions to detect and prove this kind of manipulation?
Mikk Salu
Aug 6 2020 at 3:22pm
I do remember how many smart people in 2014 wrote that Putin will not take Crimea because it is not rational. And ofcourse, Putin did take Crimea…
I re-read some of these pieces later and thought what went wrong. And it is not easy to say. These pieces still seemed good, arguments strong and credible. But I do not want to say that Putin was stupid and irrational also.
My point is: different actors construct their rationale differently, they have different goals, different knowledge, different cost benefit analysis, different risk assesments, different timeframe and so on and so on.
I am not saying that China will do this or that, but I’d cautious to say that China will not to this or that because it is irrational. Maybe, but maybe they construct their rationale differently.
Mark
Aug 6 2020 at 10:34pm
Now we have an actual order: https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1291540903618686981/photo/3
One of the reasons given for banning TikTok is that it spreads coronavirus misinformation. Note that the executive order does not even accuse TikTok of using any algorithms to manipulate people into viewing that misinformation: the mere fact that it hosts such misinformation is enough to ban it, according to the executive order.
Also worth noting is that this order is not geographically limited to the United States, but would also require US companies like Google or Apple to remove TikTok from their app stores and US citizens and permanent residents not to use TikTok even if outside the US. So the US is censoring hundreds of millions of people all around the world, on a scale that vastly exceeds China forcing some random corporation to change the way it refers to Taiwan on its website.
This ban is all about censorship. Everything else is pretext. Trump is the canceler-in-chief.
Anonymous
Aug 7 2020 at 2:35pm
Isn’t the issue that anything you copy to your clipboard on any device (laptop, desktop, tablet) is accessible through your iphone and the app harvests data from that, and the Chinese government has full access to all of that data any time it wants?
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