Why should one believe something to be true? It is disquieting how otherwise intelligent people believe implausible interpretations of events or grandstanding pronouncements on religion or society from the gurus of the day. Elon Musk is known for his impulsive one-liner philosophy, and his theological and political musings mentioned by Wall Street Journal columnist Tim Higgins (“Elon Musk’s Walk With Jesus,” August 17, 2024) seem to be in the same vein:
Elon Musk is publicly offering his own interpretation of Jesus’ teachings with an Old Testament twist. …
We are increasingly seeing Musk invoke religion as he discusses his worldviews on topics ranging from parenthood to freedom of speech. …
“There’s a lack of empathy for the victims of the criminals and too much empathy for the criminals,” Musk said. “That’s why you want to have deep empathy for society as a whole, not shallow empathy for criminals.”
Why should anybody attach any importance to what Mr. Musk thinks about the unicorn of “society as a whole”?
What should lead one to believe something? Scientific proof must be at the top of the justifications for beliefs. If a coherent theory forecasts a result and empirical evidence confirms it, it should be believed—until contrary empirical evidence provides a falsification.
In the field of social science—that is, economics or economic methodology—one example is the law of demand. There is no logically coherent theory implying that people will buy more of something only because its price has increased. On the contrary, economic theory proves the opposite, like a theorem in Euclidean geometry. (When a luxury good is purchased as a status symbol, it is status that is purchased, and the quantity demanded of status symbols will decrease as they become more expensive. This explains why not everybody buys Louis Vuitton baseball caps at 500€ a piece.) Casual observation and econometric evidence show that, ceteris paribus, the quantity demanded decreases when the price increases, and mutatis mutandis. Given free will, it is not impossible that an eccentric would once in a blue moon buy one more piece of bubble gum just because its price has increased, but that will not shift the market demand curve in a detectable way.
A related implication of economic theory is that an explanation must be compatible with incentives of individuals, who maximize their utility—that is, who try to improve their situations as each evaluates it according to his own preferences. For example, it would have been very surprising if the Sandy Hook massacre had been staged by the deep state: such an operation would not be incentive-compatible for individual government agents in an open society with some rule of law. (Note that Elon Musk did not believe that particular conspiracy theory.)
I have mentioned logical coherence, which is a basic condition for believing that something is true. The ancient Greek philosophers made that discovery. If a belief implies both A and non-A, it must be rejected.
In the whole wide universe, there is much that we don’t understand and that we cannot hope to understand; Gödel’s incompleteness theorem is only one indication. Perhaps we must keep a little window open for subjective faith along with music and poetry. Ten years before being awarded the 1912 Nobel Prize in medicine, French physician Alexis Carrel, an atheist, converted to Catholicism after witnessing what he could only explain as a miracle at the Lourdes pilgrimage center. (It did not help his career in France and, by 1912, he was living in the United States.) We should still maintain a dose of rational skepticism: in his book The Improbability Principle (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2014), statistician David Hand shows how miracles and “miraculous” coincidences can often (he would say always) be explained with probability theory.
In the realm of social behavior, as F.A. Hayek showed, we must also leave room for the meta-rationality of following social rules that have demonstrated their usefulness as an adaptation to our ignorance.
Only the gullible believe social gurus or philosopher-kings who have not demonstrated any structured knowledge and understanding of how society (including politics and the economy) works, and who pretend to know the “public good” and to dictate how others should live. Gullibility seems to have the wind in its sails.
We may relate these reflections to three recent thinkers who have much advanced our knowledge of social affairs and debunked the pretensions of would-be philosopher-kings. Anthony de Jasay argued that a social convention of “live and let live,” when it involves no harm to others, “demands far less of our moral credulity” than other political principles.
In their seminal book, The Calculus of Consent, James Buchanan and Gordon Tullock offer an interesting remark:
Christian idealism, to be effective in leading to a more harmonious social order, must be tempered by an acceptance of the moral imperative of individualism, the rule of equal freedom. The acceptance of the right of the individual to do as he desires so long as his action does not infringe on the freedom of other individuals to do likewise must be a characteristic trait in any “good” society. The precept “Love thy neighbor, but also let him alone when he desires to be let alone” may, in one sense, be said to be the overriding ethical principle for Western liberal society.
In Why I, Too, Am Not a Conservative (Edward Elgar, 2006), James Buchanan, who was far from an elitist, strongly defended structured knowledge. Reviewing this book in Regulation, I paraphrased what he saw as one requirement of a free society:
Individuals must understand “simple principles of social interaction,” and that entails “a generalized understanding of basic economics.” Or else, Buchanan claims, they must show “a widespread willingness” to defer to others who do understand.
As far as I can see, Mr. Musk is far from any sort of structured social or philosophical knowledge. That he has demonstrated entrepreneurial intuition and talents (see Israel Kirzner, Competition and Entrepreneurship) gives him no special intellectual authority to pronounce on matters of theology and politics. We don’t even have to note that he seems to be also (or mainly?) an efficient political rent seeker. The most dangerous gurus are political gurus—“political” in the sense of wanting to force others to live in certain ways. Certainly, there is no reason to believe something only because Musk says so.
READER COMMENTS
TMC
Aug 19 2024 at 10:40am
Nor you, for that matter.
Musk does at least have the experience of not only being an effective entrepreneur, but quite knowledgeable in scientific endeavors. His companies – Neuralink, SpaceX, Tesla, xAI ect all are highly technical companies pushing the boundaries of human knowledge.
“Certainly, there is no reason to believe something only because Musk says so.” True, but I’d trust his opinions over any academic I’ve met.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 19 2024 at 12:34pm
For one thing, TMC, I do cite my intellectual sources. With due respect, I recommend that you check them out by following the links in my post and putting my other citations on your reading list. Certainly, you are interested in the search for the truth; otherwise reading this blog would not be the best use of your time.
Scott Sumner
Aug 19 2024 at 1:57pm
“True, but I’d trust his opinions over any academic I’ve met.”
Sorry, but this is an extremely foolish statement. Pierre is talking about his views on issues unrelated to his successful career. The world is full of people with brilliance in some areas of life and completely cluelessness in many others. Musk has shown an extraordinary ability to say many, many foolish and offensive things on Twitter, even as his entrepreneurial skill is second to none. It would be like saying we should trust the philosophical views of Michael Jordan over any academic because he was good at basketball.
TMC
Aug 19 2024 at 4:51pm
To quote Pierre: “What should lead one to believe something? Scientific proof must be at the top of the justifications for beliefs.”
I listed the ways I believe Musk is a better scientist than either Pierre or other academics are.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 11:26am
Scott: This is an important point indeed. Some people seem to think that the ideal of formal equality of all individuals implies that everybody naturally knows everything equally well. This implication is logically and empirically false. There is also the populist idea that the Volk knows the truth its guts (which is related to many serious errors).
Craig
Aug 20 2024 at 11:41am
“Some people seem to think that the ideal of formal equality of all individuals implies that everybody naturally knows everything equally well. ”
I think you are a bit off on this one, Pierre, because I think the issue has more to do with the non-expert trying to determine which expert to seek advice from. Where Musk has an advantage in the marketplace of ideas is that his demonstrated competence is relatively famous of course. My point being that if we are having a debate on antitrust and we dress you up in a suit and put you on CNBC opposite Joseph Stiglitz who likewise is wearing a tie, both of you will come off as articulate and well spoken on the topic. Who is correct? I’m Average Joe, I don’t know, so now I am seeking some indicia of where I should place WEIGHT on the individuals discussing the topic. And Musk just happens to have a trillion dollar car company and this isn’t to say Lemieux and Stiglitz don’t have competence just that neither are quite household names. Perhaps the schooling might matter of course, right? I mean, it could for a surgeon, one might prefer a Harvard educated surgeon, or perhaps a surgeon who is entrusted by NFL teams to operate on highly compensated athletes.
Ultimately its an argument to authority, ie why do you have authority on the topic? Why should I listen to you? Perhaps Average Joe answers the question in a way that is not to your liking, ok, and if Average Joe places his faith poorly he will pay the price, but the flip side is that if you want to be persuasive in the marketplace of ideas well, then, its up to you to figure out how to be persuasive, no?
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 1:03pm
Craig: The problem you raise is real. To try to address it, let me first quote what I answered to Roger below (I must try to get some economies of scale here or I will spend all my time on the blog!):
Or perhaps addressing your objection more directly: Precisely because it is difficult to find where is the truth and, as you say, who is the best guide (the best intermediary) to find it, we should be very suspicious of anybody who thinks he is right to coercively impose his ideas by deciding how others shall live their lives. If somebody wants to import goods that somebody else in China offers them, or work below what somebody says is a minimum wage, or freely sign an apartment lease with another equally free party, or get married with the Eiffel Tower, let them. Laissez faire, morbley! Laissez faire!
nobody.really
Aug 19 2024 at 11:49am
Two typos:
Feel free to delete.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 19 2024 at 12:05pm
Thanks, Nobody, for catching these two horrible typos. (For the 2012 one, I am not usually as much ahead of my time.) I have corrected them.
Walt
Aug 19 2024 at 12:53pm
I don’t get what your beef with Musk is, unless it’s ex-cathedra . At least not based on that pull-quote above, which is basically more political than philosophical/ religious. Saying that in the reality of “progressive” cities, the law clearly favors the rights and presumed plights of often violent (and certainly thieving) criminals over the rights and plights of their far too many victims. (Which is why there’s a guy who’s now roaming around the streets of the east side of Manhattan randomly socking women and who, per reports, has done it 22 times and is still out on the street.) …
But in general, Musk is as entitled as you or I to ruminate (wisely or foolishly) about anything on his mind. It’s just that being Musk (billionaire entrepreneur) his ramblings get amplified but the amplification doesn’t mean that he’s asking to be a Messiah. It’s irrelevant to me what he thinks about either Jesus or Trump but I’m grateful that he spent those billions to buy X and to champion free speech which has far too few defenders in this newly censorious world.
David Seltzer
Aug 19 2024 at 12:58pm
Pierre: I suspect gullibility, even for intelligent individuals, is a matter of rational ignorance. Much like individual voters who don’t seek information, the opportunity cost incurred by an individual challenging Philosopher-King’s ideas as to which form of government is best, exceeds one’s expected benefit.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 19 2024 at 1:02pm
David: That’s a good point.
Roger McKinney
Aug 20 2024 at 11:08am
PR research shows that most people depend on an authority to tell them what to think about topics on which they aren’t experts. That is a type of division of labor or rational ignorance.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 12:14pm
Roger: I agree, but with a twist. People wisely trust Amazon, BestBuy, Dell, or some other intermediary to inform them on which computer or toaster to buy. The twist is that rational ignorance is a different phenomenon, purely political, because the individual voter does not get what he chooses himself. So the consequence is what Joseph Schumpeter says:
Monte
Aug 19 2024 at 1:08pm
Because celebrities like Musk possess a unique ability to shape public opinion, influence consumer behavior, and drive social change. Additionally, most celebrities are platform agnostic, meaning they do not restrict themselves to a single (social media) platform or subject matter for which they lack expertise, allowing them to influence an even broader audience. This provides ample evidence that rational choice theory is not as robust as most economists are inclined to believe.
Except in the case of Veblen and Griffin goods.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 11:58am
Monte: Rational choice theory simply assumes that an individual maximizes his utility (improves his situation) given his circumstances and his own preferences. Neglecting the qualifications of theorists such as Buchanan and de Jasay, an individual’s preferences can include anything. This simple theory can explain much of human behavior, as Gary Becker has repeatedly shown.
“Veblen goods,” I have rapidly treated in my post itself: like you perhaps, I like status but won’t buy a Louis Vuitton baseball cap for 500€. As for “Giffen goods,” their possible existence was discovered and demonstrated by standard (Hicksian) demand theory–when the income effect more than compensates the substitution effect. As the theory itself shows, they are rare. In fact, so rare that they probably don’t exist or at least nobody has found one: see David McKensie, “Are Tortillas a Giffen Good in Mexico?” Economics Bulletin, Vol. 15, 2002 (it is available from this link).
Monte
Aug 20 2024 at 4:40pm
Generally speaking, yes. But (as even Becker admits), it has limitations that lead to outcomes contrary to what it predicts – that consumers, as a rule, behave rationally to maximize their utility. Rational choice theory struggles to explain the influence of celebrities like Musk, who sway public opinion in favor of things that don’t necessarily align with rational self-interest or utility maximization.
What you say about Giffin goods is true. They appear to materialize only under the most extreme circumstances in impoverished regions where staples tend to exhibit this sort of behavior. They’re every bit as elusive as Bigfoot, but no less real. 😉
Jon Murphy
Aug 21 2024 at 9:18am
Monte, two questions:
1: Why are we limiting ourselves to Beckerian rational choice theory? I agree with pierre that it is very useful, but it is not the only description of rationality out there in economics.
2: You say that rational choice theory cannot explain the influence of celeberities, but it seems to me rational choice theory explains their influence extremely well given rationality is bounded. Why do you think it cannot? It’s not obvious from your example.
Monte
Aug 21 2024 at 3:32pm
Good questions, sir.
There are others who’ve pointed out the limitations of RCT. Herbert Simon, who (as you allude to) developed the concept of bounded rationality, which is a refinement of RCT. But doesn’t this refinement bolster, rather than undermine, Becker’s claim? And haven’t other economists (Kahneman, Tversky, Thaler, and Akerlof) highlighted limitations of RCT owing to cognitive biases, hueristics and various other behavioral characteristics that seem prevalent in decision-making?
Monte
Aug 21 2024 at 4:56pm
Because decision-making is influenced by these behavioral characteristics, doesn’t the notion of bounded rationality reinforce Becker’s claim that RCT suffers from unrealistic expectations?
Monte
Aug 19 2024 at 1:14pm
That is to say, celebrities often pontificate on matters for which they lack expertise.
nobody.really
Aug 19 2024 at 1:16pm
Off-topic:
1: Imagine that a trespasser owns no real estate, and has no objection to other people engaging in trespass. Would enforcing trespass laws against this person represent infringing upon “the right of the individual to do as he desires so long as his action does not infringe on the freedom of other individuals to do likewise”?
2: Few people harm no one but themselves. Every molecule of oxygen I inhale becomes unavailable for anyone else to inhale. This may seem insignificant under most circumstances (as Locke might say, “at least where there is enough, and as good left in common for others”), but might seem more significant in a stranded submarine. More generally, Adam Smith began his Theory of Moral Sentiments (1759) as follows:
Because I have compassion/sympathy, I experience disutility when I observe your suffering. While the Emancipation Proclamation was adopted as a strategy of war, the 13th Amendment was adopted after the Civil War was over. I suggest that voters adopted this amendment largely as an act of compassion for enslaved people. Yet what cognizable interest did these voters have that would justify intervening in the property rights of slavers?
The issue is not whether our actions effect our neighbors—they do—but how to distinguish between the effects that justify intervention by a third party and the effects that do not. Provided that they harm no one but themselves and indicate a desire to be left alone, would Buchanan leave the child, the mentally ill, and the addict to their fates?
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 12:36pm
Well, Nobody, you succeeded squeezing in a few paragraphs all the fundamental problems of political philosophy and political philosophy. To pursue your interrogations, I would recommend one article of mine (first reading below) and, at the very least, my reviews of the two (or three) books that follow:
(1) “The Threat of Externalities,” Regulation 44:3 (Fall 2021), pp. 18-24;
(2) James Buchanan, The Limits of Liberty: Between Anarchy and Leviathan (1975); a much less technical book is his Why I, Too, Am Not a Conservative: The Normative Vision of Classical Liberalism (2006);
(3) Anthony de Jasay, Against Politics: On Government, Anarchy, and Order (1997).
Laurentian
Aug 19 2024 at 1:55pm
Who pray tell is supposed to define structural knowledge and who is to teach it?
And deferring to those with knowledge sounds like another form of enlightened despotism. Why should we trust those “real” experts
And speaking about conspiracy theories how about the fact that 17th century English classical liberals were perfectly with crazy conspiracy theories motivated by bigotry. Like how the Old Pretender was a warming pan baby or the lies of Titus Oates which John Locke’s own patron used to execute dozens of innocent people, some without trial. The classical liberals gave Oates a government pension by the way.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 4:31pm
Laurentian: What I call structured knowledge (I have also used the expression “organized knowledge”) is explanations that derive from theories that aim at logical coherence. Standard scientific theories, including economic theories, are structured knowledge. So is Marxism—structured knowledge is not synonym with what I agree with. Structured knowledge is the opposite of emotions, feelings (“I know it in my guts”), day-dreaming, impulsive opinions, and most forms of intuition. It is also the opposite of implicit knowledge, of the sort Hayek and probably most classical liberals find in conventional social rules. Poetry and religion are not structured knowledge (think of Bourgeat in Balzac’s La messe de l’athée: “Cet homme avait la foi du charbonnier. Il aimait la sainte Vierge comme il eût aimé sa femme”), although literary critique and theology (say, Aquinas) can be. One way to check if one has any structured knowledge is whether there are some statements he would like to make, for aesthetic or normative reasons or by naked self-interest, but he just cannot make (or he will feel shameful to make them) because they are not coherent with some general theory he relies on. For example, I would like to say (in a debate or to a taxi driver) that a tariff of 10% on all imported goods would create inflation or unemployment, but I cannot because such a statement is incoherent with the economic theories I consider true (at least after a new equilibrium has been reached).
Mactoul
Aug 20 2024 at 12:22am
Elon Musk possesses “no special intellectual authority to pronounce on matters of theology and politics.” but Buchanan is allowed to pontificate on Christian love? Letting alone what doesn’t concern you is hardly novel insight and was expressed powerfully by CS Lewis in his famous quote:
But what tends to be left out is that the do-good tyrannies stem from the reformist spirit which is inherent in the Enlightenment principles and of which classical liberalism is very close kin.
Otherwise, what else are the schemes of David Friedman Machinery of Freedom–blueprint of an anarchist society?
But how does Jasay know which thing harms me? Does he know it better than I myself?
It is exactly the same with conventions and customs. There are some who claim to know that customs such as monogamy are harmful and must be eradicated. Who gave them this phiosopher-king like power?
Jon Murphy
Aug 20 2024 at 9:18am
I don’t think it gets left out at all. Indeed, that “reformist spirit” is of a major concern to classical liberals from Adam Smith and David Hume through to Buchanan, and even to Pierre, David, myself, and the other commentators here. It’s why we emphasize individualism, liberty, justice, and freedom. It’s why we oppose nationalism, industrial planning, and other schemes.
Adam Smith wrote at legnth on the dual desires of humanity: to be free and to dominate his fellow man.
In short, what you consider “left out” is perhaps the single most written about aspect that classical liberals discuss.
JoeF
Aug 20 2024 at 9:09am
Four principles of the Enlightenment: modernization, skepticism, reason and liberty.
World’s ten richest (in order): Musk, Bezos, Arnault, Zuckerberg, Gates, Ellison, Page, Ballmer, Brin, Buffett.
Of that list of rich men, I think Musk publicly embodies those principles the most (by far). And he would applaud your skepticism.
steve
Aug 20 2024 at 9:48am
Musk is as entitled to his own opinions as anyone else, but just because he is wealthy doesnt make his opinions any better. I suspect his talking about Jesus and the Bible is mostly because he has been jumping into bed with Trump and his base. Talk about Jesus a bit and they are easy to manipulate.
I think we have always been subject to “influencers” who didnt really know what they were talking about. In the past it might have been royalty or the priest class. With eh advent of mass media and democracy it was talking heads on TV, the political class, the clergy and fake experts. Now we have a whole industry of people who are on Youtube, talk radio, TV, preachers, etc devoted to convincing people that their expertise is correct. Often they are pretty convincing. It can be difficult to tell who is really an expert and whose knowledge or advice is valid.
I dont have great answers. I think this is just part of the price of having free speech. I always suggest reading original literature as people spreading misinformation count on the fact that people dont read stuff directly for themselves. However, it’s pretty clear that most people dont have much of a grounding in statistics or reading literature. It’s also clear that people are often more swayed by “stories” than facts and that people look for stories that resonate with or support what they want to believe.
Steve
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 20 2024 at 12:41pm
Steve: Very relevant comments!
Jose Pablo
Aug 20 2024 at 4:20pm
he has been jumping into bed with Trump
I have been following Trump’s trial and conviction in the hush money case. Looking at some of the witnesses I don’t really think Musk is Trump’s type.
Roger McKinney
Aug 20 2024 at 10:57am
When trying to understand human behavior, something more than economics is needed. Public relations research is helpful. People are rarely rational. Yes, they will follow the law of demand because the benefit is clear and immediate, but that’s where rationality ends. PR research shows that people decide what is true for emotional reasons then search for rationalizations. And sociology. Helmut Schoeck wrote a classic in Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior that explains how envy drives the creation of institutions. Envy powers socialism. Look at how many PhD economists are socialists.
Hayek wrote that humans will never understand the human brain because for one entity to understand another it must be more complex than the subject. If we can’t understand the brain, then we can’t understand ourselves fully. We need someone outside of humanity and more complex to explain us to ourselves.
The Bible says in the book of Romans that people know the truth about God. They just don’t like it. The same can be said for economics.
Jose Pablo
Aug 20 2024 at 4:27pm
Opinions are like abs. Everybody has their own but only a few deserve attention.
Your willingness to show your abs everywhere not necessarily contain useful information about their interest.
David Seltzer
Aug 21 2024 at 9:57am
Jose: There is another bromide about opinions and another body part. LOL!
Ahmed Fares
Aug 20 2024 at 6:51pm
Jonathan Edwards (theologian)
Now we have physics coming to the same realization (note especially the last sentence):
“There Is No Such Thing As Time”
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 21 2024 at 3:22pm
Ahmed: You previously commented on, and referred us to, Frank’s book. It looks interesting and I have put it on my mental reading list. For now, I don’t know what Barbour’s theory would mean for society and for economics. More troubling, it seems to negate the permanence of a human person from birth to death, which is recognized by most if not all philosophers. Indeed, it is recognized by virtually everybody. When I jump, I know it’s the same person who lands. “I jump, therefore I am.”
Ahmed Fares
Aug 21 2024 at 5:41pm
All of Western science is built on causality. Remove causality, and all of Western science collapses. Because of continuous creation, causality does not and cannot exist. There is no causal glue to bind events together. That means that everything you see around you is the handiwork of God. That includes economics, which is a function of divine providence.
The West has lost its spiritual foundation, and with that, destruction follows. How that happens is anybody’s guess. More DEI, a Middle East war, etc.
The West in replacing God with secular humanism is repeating that which led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Russians have now rediscovered their spiritual roots in Eastern Christianity, which incidentally is more mystical and closer to the truth than Western Christianity, and turned back to God and you can see that in an improvement in their economy among other things.
MAGA voters are moving to Russia ‘because it feels like America during the 1950s and 20% of local women look like supermodels’
The American Men Seeking the American Dream—in Russia
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 22 2024 at 11:36am
Ahmed: Two comments.
OK, but this means that nothing is falsifiable and thus nothing is provable. Why do the rich divorce less than the poor? Just the handiwork of God.
If barbarism comes with religion (as it often did before the 18th century and as the Russian government, besides killing its own dissidents, illustrates by shamelessly targeting civilians in Ukraine), please, God, give us more materialism.
David Seltzer
Aug 21 2024 at 10:08am
Ahmed: “The cat that jumps is not the same cat that lands.” I assume you are referencing Schroedinger’s feline. There is no such thing as time? Einstein’s Special Theory showed time dilated using the Pythagorean Theorem, Lorentz Factor and Maxwell’s speed of light equation. But I suspect you knew this.
Ahmed Fares
Aug 21 2024 at 2:20pm
Nitya Pralaya in Sanskrit means “continuous great destruction”. A quote:
Is Movement an Illusion? Discontinuity in Quantum Physics
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 21 2024 at 3:28pm
Ahmed: What tells us that you are the same Ahmed as the Ahmed who commented before on this blog?
Ahmed Fares
Aug 21 2024 at 5:05pm
I’m not sure if I understand your question. I’ve always commented using my full name. I suppose it’s possible that sometime in the past years ago that I commented using only my first name, so I can’t discount that, but I don’t recall doing that.
Ahmed Fares
Aug 21 2024 at 5:13pm
Okay, I see what you were doing there.
God returns our consciousness to us when we are created anew along with everything else.
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 22 2024 at 11:24am
Ahmed: But then, how could one falsify Barbour’s theory?
Ahmed Fares
Aug 22 2024 at 8:14pm
Barbour is simply agreeing with what we say. The question is not how to falsify the assertion of continuous creation, but how it is proved.
For Sufis, the Prophet Muhammad’s ascension mentioned in the 17th Surah of the Qur’an is the prototype of their own ascension. Here, Al-Ghazali describes the ascension of the gnostics verifying a verse in the Qur’an talking about continuous destruction of this world:
Thus, continuous creation is known both by scripture and experientially.
As an aside, my previous writing on Kabbalah about the “Four who entered the orchard” was about Merkabah Mysticism, i.e., Chariot Mysticism. The word “Merkabah” means “chariot” which is why the Israeli tank is called the Merkaveh tank (Hebrew sometimes substitutes the letter “v” for the letter “b” if I recall correctly). Thus, the Kabbalists are discussing this same spiritual ascension.
Merkabah mysticism
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 22 2024 at 5:17pm
Ahmed: This and the other of your comments on this topic look like Ashʿariyyah or Asharitism. Is it related? (I recommend to my readers to listen to the extraordinary Peter Adamson on this–follow the link.)
Ahmed Fares
Aug 22 2024 at 7:48pm
Yes, we are Ash’arites.
Ash’arite theology says that only God creates acts, and we acquire acts in accordance with our nature. This safeguards both divine sovereignty and human responsibility. You can see Ash’arite theology in Thomas Aquinas’ writings on free will. (note the phrase “He operates”.)
Thomism
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 25 2024 at 11:00am
Ahmed: Who is “we” in your first sentence?
Ahmed Fares
Aug 25 2024 at 2:00pm
The “we” that as I was referring to was we the Sufis who are the foremost proponents of Ash’arism. Having said that, apart from the Wahhabis/Salafis in Saudi Arabia and their ilk in Al-Qaeda and IS (Islamic State), the overwhelming majority of the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims are Ash’arites.
The term that the West uses to describe this is “occasionalism”:
Occasionalism
In the West, the occasionalist doctrine was held by the Cartesians and especially Nicolas Malebranche:
Nicolas Malebranche
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 29 2024 at 11:20am
Ahmed: People across the world should be happy that individual liberty prevented those in the West from falling into the Ash’ariste view of the world. Without institutions protecting individual liberty and without the consequent development of science and technology, we would still all be sending our messages by camel instead of emailing on laptops. We would still all be living in the 9th century. A good book to read is Joel Mokyr’s A Culture of Growth.
Ahmed Fares
Aug 29 2024 at 1:31pm
In 2014, the BBC reported that Rumi was the best-selling poet in the US:
Why is Rumi the best-selling poet in the US?
Jose Pablo
Aug 21 2024 at 11:47am
Just by pure chance I was listening this morning Tony Robbins’ podcast “The Holy Grail of Investing”. After 10 minutes of pure BS, I thought of your post and realized that there is a whole set of very prosperous industries based on human gullibility.
It is not only politicians: financial advisors, alternative asset managers, self-improvement gurus … gullibility does create giant markets. Even the industries that should be focusing on “fight back” against gullibility (let’s say universities) are now mostly catering to the gullibility of anxious parents.
And there is religion. A giant eye in the sky watching everything that 8 billion people do and keeping records?, a land full of virgins eager to serve all your desires for all eternity? come on!, you should be kidding, right? … and yet, this mother of all gullibility seems to increase our life expectancy and our happiness (it seems that the hope of having attentive virgins serving all our desires forever, works wonders on our earthly health)
Maybe we, humans, are 75% gullibility after all. The other 25% being just water.
David Seltzer
Aug 21 2024 at 12:03pm
Jose: Love your take on gullibility!
Pierre Lemieux
Aug 21 2024 at 3:14pm
Jose: Education was invented to improve the situation. “Invented” is a too strong word: as Adam Ferguson said in 1782, “nations stumble upon establishments, which are indeed the result of human action, but not the execution of any human design.” The continuous problem is that politicians decided to put more and more”human design” there, not thinking or just ignoring that they, as well as their electoral clientele, were also gullible and in need of education.
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