
Pierre Lemieux pointed out a crucial way in which Wall Street Journal reporter James Mackintosh biased the result with this statement: “Sure, it is true that free markets are the best way to run an economy that is fully competitive, has no unpriced side effects, or ‘externalities,’ such as carbon emissions, and where contracts cover every eventuality.” Pierre pointed out that when you have free markets, no one is “running” the economy.
When I went to read Mackintosh’s original news story, “What I Learned About ‘Woke’ Capital and Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago,” June 9, 2023, I found some other major misconceptions on Mackintosh’s part.
Start with this sentence in his first paragraph: “I expected to be surrounded by anti-ESG, pro-capitalist supporters of the status quo in American finance.” Which is it? Did he expect to be surrounded by anti-ESG, pro-capitalists or did he expect to be surrounded by supporters of the status quo? It can’t be both. In case Mackintosh hasn’t noticed, with the myriad regulations we have now, the status quo is now far from capitalist.
Here’s Mackintosh’s other big error that is as egregious as the one Pierre highlights: “Sure, free markets work—but only when a bunch of vital assumptions hold.” That’s false. Free markets work if a bunch of assumptions hold. They also work well even when many of those assumptions don’t hold. We don’t, for example, need “perfect competition” to have healthy competition among firms.
Moreover, as Jon Murphy pointed out in the comments on Pierre’s post, we should ask “work compared to what?” Did Mackintosh look at how well Amtrak is run, how government-built housing works, or how carefully the feds and the California state government handed out unemployment benefits in 2020, to name just three? And I was left wondering whether the economists whose classes he sat in on ever raised that issue. When he was at the University of Chicago, economist Harold Demsetz pointed out in a famous 1969 article that many economists use the “Nirvana approach.” They compare actual markets with ideal government programs run by all-knowing bureaucrats with benevolent motives rather than comparing actual markets with actual government. I’m hoping this was Mackintosh’s failure to understand what the U of Chicago economists were teaching and not the economists’ failure to teach.
I’ll end with this stunner: Mackintosh writes, “It takes time for academic work to filter into politics; Friedman’s pro-business radicalism had to wait a decade for Ronald Reagan as the 1970s saw government regulation of evermore areas of the economy.”
First, Milton Friedman was not pro-business. He was pro-market, a distinction that Mackintosh seems unaware of. Second, while it’s true that from about 1970 to 1978, government regulation did cover ever more areas of the economy, from worker safety (OSHA) to environmental regulation (the EPA) to oil prices (price controls) to fuel economy (CAFE), the last year of the 1970s and first year of the 1980s—before Ronald Reagan took office—saw massive deregulation: of airlines, trucking, and railroads. That was under Jimmy Carter, not Ronald Reagan. I hope this is just Mackintosh winging it by assuming history rather than checking it.
UPDATE: A friend who does not wish to be named but who follows the U of Chicago’s economics department closely tells me that Mackintosh’s misconceptions are shared by many of the economics faculty at Chicago. So Mackintosh apparently did report accurately what he heard at Chicago.
READER COMMENTS
steve
Jun 12 2023 at 6:34pm
“Did Mackintosh look at how well Amtrak is run, how government-built housing works, or how carefully the feds and the California state government handed out unemployment benefits in 2020, to name just three?”
I think this is a poor argument. 3 government programs performed poorly. Does that mean if we can find 3 businesses that perform poorly that capitalism is a bad idea? I think the better argument, and I think you are correct that markets dont need to be perfect, is that every successful nation/economy in the world has had largely market based economies. To the extent we have seen places like China have growth it is largely due to their willingness to embrace markets in some fashion. There is no alternative we have found that works better.
Also, dont forget beer. Carter also deregulated beer which is why we have so many wonderful choices today instead of the very limited, usually tasteless choices 60 years ago.
Steve
Knut P. Heen
Jun 13 2023 at 6:34am
The point is that the three corporations doing poorly will be replaced by corporations doing better. Kodak did not completely disappear when Polaroid cameras became unpopular, but other corporations picked up many of their customers. The alternatives to poorly performing public services is also private. The difference is that the poorly performing public services keep being funded by taxes. No one puts more money into a poorly performing private company. They must shape up or face the consequences.
steve
Jun 13 2023 at 10:32am
“Kodak did not completely disappear ”
But then you have Theranos, FTX, Enron. Failed corporations arent always so benign. OTOH, failed govt programs are sometimes replaced. Some governments work better than others and there are lots of examples where govt has had positive effects. Anyway, i just think the argument that some government plans have not worked well is a poor argument just as it is a poor argument when used to claim that capitalism is bad.
Steve
Jose Pablo
Jun 13 2023 at 8:16pm
there are lots of examples where govt has had positive effects
Could you please mention any of those?
Coase does not seem to agree with you:
https://reason.com/1997/01/01/looking-for-results/
Reason: Can you give us an example of what you consider to be a good regulation and then an example of what you consider to be a not-so-good regulation?
Coase: This is a very interesting question because one can’t give an answer to it. When I was editor of The Journal of Law and Economics, we published a whole series of studies of regulation and its effects. Almost all the studies–perhaps all the studies–suggested that the results of regulation had been bad, that the prices were higher, that the product was worse adapted to the needs of consumers, than it otherwise would have been
Jon Murphy
Jun 13 2023 at 9:49pm
The rest of the quote changes your interpretation of Coase:
Coase is talking on the margin. Not all regulation are necessarily bad, but we are at the point of negative marginal returns.
Jose Pablo
Jun 14 2023 at 1:58pm
No, it doesn’t since what happens “at the margin” is what really matters (as you frequently point out)
Jose Pablo
Jun 14 2023 at 2:03pm
And my interpretation of “this Coase” is that any State of the size of the States that we have now is “destined” to produce regulation that have negative effects on the economy.
He would need to create “The Independent Government of Boston” (or maybe of one of its boroughs) to be able to know “what they are” (the activities that the government did well)
Jose Pablo
Jun 14 2023 at 2:13pm
And, certainly, a valid reading (I think) of the “I was not willing to accept” part is:
“I had a strong normative bias in favor of “some” State intervention, which did not allow me to fully accept the conclusions of the positive analysis that I carried out when I was editor of The Journal of Law and Economics so, I come up with an alternative explanation”
Why do you believe this is not a plausible exegesis of the paragraph that you highlight?
Jose Pablo
Jun 13 2023 at 8:28pm
But then you have Theranos, FTX, Enron. Failed corporations arent always so benign
There is a huge difference between being fooled into a Ponzi scheme and being forced to participate in one.
I had nothing to do with Theranos, FTX or Enron (and everybody that had, did so voluntarily) I have been (and I still am) forced to finance every single failed government program (which is the same, according to Coase, that every single government program)
Can’t think of a bigger (and more humiliating) difference.
robc
Jun 13 2023 at 9:14am
I use beer as to why the Socialist Calcualtion Problem isn’t a calculation problem (as was covered in a recent article on here). Even if you could calculate the amount of beer needed, who would have been able to calculate the proper variety of beer for the ever changing craft beer market?
Andy Weintraub
Jun 12 2023 at 9:12pm
While studying for my PH.D. at Rutgers University in the early 1960’s, I was mentored by a University of Chicago PH.D, Harry Gilman, who never failed to promote and praise the University of Chicago’s economics department and the education he received there.
Outside of the reserve reading room at the Rutgers library, there was a display of photos of past graduating classes, including the class of 1932. I would often stand there and contemplate the photo of a young Milton Friedman – with a full head of hair – and bemoan the fact that I was close to completing my degree at Rutgers and probably couldn’t have been accepted at Chicago anyway.
But more than its reputation as a bastion of free market economics, my mentor focused on the method of “positive economics” that was promoted at Chicago, something I’ve struggled to employ during my professional career as an economist.
Perhaps Mackintosh is correct about today’s economics department at U of C. If I were applying to graduate school in economics today, I’d probably choose George Mason, if they would accept me.
David Henderson
Jun 13 2023 at 9:56am
Thanks, Andy. I knew Harry Gilman. I first heard about him from my boss (and one of my favorite bosses), Bill Meckling, dean of the Graduate School of Management at the University of Rochester.
Here’s his obituary. Harry was very important in the drive to eliminate the military draft. The obituary gives some details. Nice guy too.
Jon Murphy
Jun 12 2023 at 9:15pm
Actually, upon rereading this sentence, I think Mackintosh is right, albeit not for the reason he thinks. As Vernon Smith says (I forget the precise citation. I think it’s in his book Rationality in Economics): Markets do not need to be perfect, etc. Planners need markets to have those characteristics.
Richard Fulmer
Jun 12 2023 at 10:40pm
True, but once planners – empowered by prices generated by a free market – start to “run the economy,” the market is no longer free and the prices it generates become distorted.
Market actors, basing their decisions on what is essentially disinformation, misallocate scarce resources. All too often, the result is a boom-and-bust cycle that the planners will blame on the “free” market.
Jon Murphy
Jun 13 2023 at 1:17pm
Just to be clear on my point:
If one wants to run and economy, one needs all the conditions (perfect information, etc). Markets themselves do not need those elements to work, nor even to work superior to alternative arrangements.
Richard Fulmer
Jun 13 2023 at 3:12pm
But even omniscience isn’t enough to run an economy. Omnipotence is also necessary. Even perfect policies based on perfect information won’t work as well as do imperfect free markets if those policies aren’t perfectly administered and enforced.
Craig Pirrong
Jun 13 2023 at 1:50pm
As an 80s-vintage Chicago PhD I can say definitively that Chicago isn’t Chicago anymore. (Some years ago one faculty member paid me the compliment that I was “one of the last Chicagoans.” Made me proud, but very sad.)
The Stigler Center is Exhibit 1.
The late-80s were the inflection point.
Jose Pablo
Jun 13 2023 at 8:36pm
(1) There are more well-paid positions for economists if the optimum is a managed economy than if the optimum is a self-regulated one.
(2) Economists have established that incentives matter
So, I would expect economist arriving to the consensus that the economy needs to be managed
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