Based on the indicators that I look at, I’d expect PCE inflation to run well above 2% over the next 5 years. On the other hand, market indicators such as TIPS spreads point to roughly 2% expected inflation. Which view should I trust?
I’d say both. If I put zero weight on my own (inside) view, and if others behaved that way as well, then it would be impossible to form an efficient market forecast. At the same time, the market forecast incorporates the “wisdom of crowds” and hence is likely to be superior to my own view.
If I’m rational, I should put more weight on the market forecast. Thus if my inside view calls for 2.5% inflation over the next 5 years, and the market expects 2.0% inflation, then I might rationally form an “outside view” of something like 2.1% inflation.
Ten years ago, Bryan Caplan did a post on the subject of whether we should obey unjust laws:
Philosopher Michael Huemer’s new essay on jury nullification presents a more compelling position on civil disobedience . . . Huemer’s critique readily extends to civil disobedience more generally. The fact that people often break just laws is a lame argument for obeying unjust laws. The proper remedy for abuse is greater investment in moral reasoning, not blind obedience to unjust laws or masochistic submission to unwarranted legal punishment.
I don’t have any problem with people breaking unjust laws, but a note of caution. It is very hard to know which laws are unjust. The fact that a law has been enacted by a legislature is evidence that many people view the law as being justified. My fear is that potential lawbreakers will give too little weight to the possibility they might be wrong, just as too many investors give too little weight to the view that their predictions may be less optimal than the market forecast.
There are actually two good reasons to obey seemingly unjust laws:
1. The wisdom of crowds: Most laws (not all) reflect majority opinion.
2. Chesterton’s Fence: Laws may have benefits that are not immediately apparent.
When trying to determine whether a given law is unjustified, a rational person should put substantial weight on the fact that the law exists.
On the other hand, this does not mean that it never makes any sense to disobey unjust laws. The fact that the law exists is not the only information that we have. It is also possible to learn something about why the public supports a given law. Suppose that in discussions with people about the possibility of legalizing kidney sales, you determine that the major objection is the fear that this would create a black market. (I’ve frequently encountered this argument.) Readers of this blog presumably understand that black markets occur when transactions are banned, not when they are legalized. This information should at least modestly reduce your concern that there might be a “Chesterton Fence” argument against kidney sales. Nonetheless, you’d want to learn about more than just the objections of the man or woman on the street; you’d want to learn about the views of medical ethicists.
It is easy for me to dismiss the views of people worried about a black market in kidney sales. It is harder for me to refute objections to drug legalization. My inside view is that there aren’t lots of people just itching to become fentanyl addicts, who are being held back by the prohibition on the use of fentanyl. But I might be wrong, and indeed lots of smart people do have exactly that fear regarding legalization. And the fear is not obviously irrational; there’s a good argument to be made that the legalization of sports betting has substantially increased the amount of sports betting. On the other, other hand, while I’ve met many people who have told me they enjoy betting on sports, I’ve never met anyone who expressed a desire to become a fentanyl addict. And for most of American history, drugs like heroin and cocaine were perfectly legal. So the issue is uncertain. But if it turned out that I was wrong, I might well change my view on fentanyl legalization.
To summarize, I disagree with both of these claims:
1. We should always obey the law.
2. We should disobey laws that, from our own personal perspective (our inside view), seem unjust.
Instead, we should only regard laws as unjust when we have given due consideration to the fact that our own knowledge is imperfect and that the consensus of society has determined that these laws make sense. That’s not easy to do. It’s like asking someone their own (inside) view of how talented a pop star is, and then asking them again, with the proviso that this time their answer should include the implication of the pop star’s reputation among fans and critics. If your second answer doesn’t often change, you are not being rational. I wish that more boomers had different inside and outside views of rap music.
READER COMMENTS
Craig
Nov 3 2024 at 9:44pm
“At the same time, the market forecast incorporates the “wisdom of crowds” and hence is likely to be superior to my own view.”
There was a time, not so long ago, when I would’ve deferred to the collective wisdom of the bond market. CPI peaked, I think if memory serves, in June 2022 and one year prior the one year treasury wasn’t anywhere close to 9%. I think one problem is that the market DOES incorporate the wisdom of crowds but it also includes the manipulations of governments.
“Based on the indicators that I look at, I’d expect PCE inflation to run well above 2% over the next 5 years.”
Personally short term I still see disinflation, medium long term I see high inflation because I think the government will ultimately choose to inflate their way out of the debt, but that would be a choice and they haven’t actually made that choice yet, but I just think they will, but that’s to predict the actions of men. I am curious what indicators you are looking at though.
Scott Sumner
Nov 4 2024 at 3:47am
“I am curious what indicators you are looking at though.”
NGDP growth and nominal wage growth.
Kevin Erdmann
Nov 4 2024 at 1:13am
If residential investment grows from here while population growth remains low, it is possible that rent inflation could be sustainably moderate for the first time in 30 years. That would reduce or reverse the difference between cpi & pce inflation, and then tips yields and your PCE inflation forecast could both be right.
Mactoul
Nov 4 2024 at 1:27am
It seems to me that it is not very hard to find elements of injustice in any law–even the law against murder can be considered unjust if the law provides for capital punishment. Some people may be against life imprisonment too.
But the matter of whether we should obey unjust laws is different from finding whether a particular law is unjust or not. It is certainly not as easy as your statement
Now, some consider private property as unjust and in their eyes laws against stealing are unjust. So, to leave the judgment of unjust laws at individual level is likely to lead to anarchy.
Scott Sumner
Nov 4 2024 at 3:50am
I think you misunderstood the post. I did not endorse people breaking laws that they thought were unjust. So your comment misses the point.
Jose Pablo
Nov 4 2024 at 10:46pm
to leave the judgment of unjust laws at individual level is likely to lead to anarchy.
That’s the beauty of it!
In fact Huemer is an anarchist so you maybe right.
On the other hand, to leave the judgment of unjust laws at the collective level is likely to lead to … well injustice. Like in the case of slavery or segregation laws or anti-miscegenation laws, or eugenic laws mandating forceful sterilization, or anti-gay laws, or laws based on the Coverture doctrine …
Some laws are clearly unjust. The fact that any law can be deemed unjust using a labyrinthine though process doesn’t change that fact even a bit.
Grant Gould
Nov 4 2024 at 6:43am
As a counterpoint on the matter of laws in particular, it seems to me that most of the advances we’ve had in eliminating unjust laws has come from people breaking them — gay people were instrumental in the repeal of sodomy laws, for instance, and the widespread disregard for marijuana laws provided most of the practical and moral evidence for their repeal. In this sense the violator of an unjust law is providing a valuable service to the public that should strongly weight against Chestertonian restraint.
Indeed when an unjust law is repealed or overturned we should pay a bounty to everyone who previously violated it, to correctly incentivize future such acts against political supremacy.
Matthias
Nov 4 2024 at 7:28am
I’m not sure about your ‘most’.
Eg women got the vote not by sneaking into voting booth and illegally casting votes.
Spencer Hall
Nov 4 2024 at 7:27am
“Inside view”, it’s called crowding out.
Tristan
Nov 4 2024 at 12:42pm
Although NGDP growth is still too high to be consistent with 2% PCE inflation, we did see it fall in Q3 despite a 50 basis point cut. Could that suggest policy is following the natural rate down in line with expectations? What would Q3 NGDP growth have looked like had they not cut or even raised?
Scott Sumner
Nov 4 2024 at 5:51pm
Yes, that is possible. Although the cut came late in the quarter.
Jose Pablo
Nov 4 2024 at 9:45pm
To summarize, I disagree with both of these claims:
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2. We should disobey laws that, from our own personal perspective (our inside view), seem unjust.
No. You agree with number 2. You only have some interesting considerations on how “personal perspectives” should be formed.
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There are actually two good reasons to obey seemingly unjust laws:
1. The wisdom of crowds: Most laws (not all) reflect majority opinion.
The majority opinion is not formed with “justice” in mind. So, 1 is not a good reason to obey seemingly unjust laws. I very much doubt that plantation owners thought that slavery was “just”. But they supported slavery because it was very convenient to them.
I find difficult to believe that a majority of Americans found segregation or anti-miscegenation laws “just” back in 1967 (you were already born by then!). These laws just catered pretty well to their unjust prejudices.
I find it difficult to believe that the majority opposes open border policies because they think that condemning people to live miserable lives on the other side of the border is “just”. They are just afraid of consequences than, for the most part, only reflect they own prejudices.
There is very little wisdow on “justice” that can be extracted from the size of a majority supporting a particular law. Much more can be learned about this majority convenience, biases and fears.
Jose Pablo
Nov 4 2024 at 10:21pm
I’d expect PCE inflation to run well above 2% over the next 5 years. On the other hand, market indicators such as TIPS spreads point to roughly 2% expected inflation.
What you believe to be the TIPS market view on inflation can also be formed by the fact that the TIPS market is narrow and demand normally outstrips TIPS available. That should mean higher prices and lower yields. For not very different reasons longer-term government bonds have lower yields than shorter-term government bonds. This doesn’t reflect the bond market opinion on how duration or counterpart risks evolve with time.
Buyers of TIPS could still share your opinion on PCE inflation over the next 5 years. They just prefer to be protected against a 2% inflation than not to be protected at all against the over 2% inflation that they truly expect.
John Smith
Nov 6 2024 at 2:02pm
Nailed my predictions on the election
https://www.econlib.org/remunerations-determined-by-markets-or-politics/
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